• photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    25
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 year ago

    It was only a matter of time before the Chinese started ramping up their own semiconductor capabilities. With all the inevitable industrial espionage involved, I wonder if the west really has that much of a head start in chip design.

    • iopq@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Design? No

      Fabs? The advantage is insurmountable as long as the US keeps preventing ASML from exporting EUV to China

  • stingpie@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    1 year ago

    This is definitely real and not propaganda because the Chinese economy is in a huge downturn.

  • A_A@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    16
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    When I use my (Android) phone I very much feel that I am not the customer but rather the product and it would be much worse (I think) if competition wasn’t there. in some ways, my experience with one (bad) Chinese phone was much better than what I had with one from South Korea.

    Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) is a partially state-owned publicly listed Chinese pure-play semiconductor foundry company. It is the largest contract chip maker in mainland China.

    SMIC ordered an EUV step-and-scan system from ASML Holding for $120 million in 2018. The order was blocked after the US government lobbied ASML and the government of the Netherlands.
    (…Wikipedia)

  • Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    11
    arrow-down
    32
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    It’s nice to see access to one of most important technology of the 21st century not at the hands of a single country whims

    Most people would’ve hoped for it to be from Europe but instead of working to free themselves from USA control over such important tech they regulate random stuff and make themselves look like fools.

    I strongly believe a joint cooperation of the European union could produce a powerful CPU, GPU but they’re sitting on their butts doing nothing. Shame…

    • datelmd5sum@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      25
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Dutch company makes the machines that shoot US chip designs via lasers via German mirrors to Japanese/German/Taiwanese silicon wafers that are further processes by Japanese machines in a Taiwanese factory.

      • Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Care to elaborate ? More competition is always better. Usa being able to control who can and can not make CPUs is scary and heavily impact the sovereignty of all countries. Especially, in our modern world.

        • severien@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          heavily impact the sovereignty of all countries

          Personally I don’t have an issue with impacting sovereignty of countries like China or Russia, since their idea of sovereignty means suppression of others.

        • just_another_person@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          I don’t know what makes you think the US is controlling the chip sector, because it ain’t us. Almost all of the world’s general use chips are made in fabs in Asia. Why do you think the rest of the world is trying stop an invasion of Taiwan by China? The US is trying to bring BACK fabs ASAP because of that risk.

          Also, if you weren’t aware, nothing is stopping any other country from creating their own chip designs and having them fabricated.