Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.
Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their ‘Pro’ model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology
And they still don’t have PD on the pro.
My guess is that they’ll be going portless soon, and don’t want users freaking out that they can’t change their phones as quickly, so they’re intentionally nerfing the charge speeds on USB C.
They have to have USB power delivery by the EU law but only as fast as the device supports at all. So if they only have 20W charging at all that’s legal.
With how much they’re investing in video and how large their camera/film user base is, they will not go portless.
Apple just wants to get rid of low income people having an iphone.
Iphones whole thing has always been to be a luxury brand, that only rich people can afford.
A 15 year old technology pretty much every other phone uses now. A technology used in pretty much every modern laptop - especially Apple’s own - and many desktops.
15 years ago was Micro-USB, which was awful.
Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.
To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.
Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.
Yeah. The man was a piece of shit in several ways, but he was also good at what he did.
Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.Edit: I’ve been schooled.
The lightning port is USB 2. The 15 is USB 2, powered by the same USB 2 chipset as the 14 pro. The only difference is the connector not the cables or encoding.
The 15 pro has USB 3, which is faster than the lighting port ever was.
Oh, I’ve been schooled. Thanks.
I’m not even an Apple fanatic, but you’re such a weak mind to parrot those obvious lies. Do you really think that Apple would’ve gone this far if they copied everything? They hand picked the best tech out there and perfected it in every way. If you just wanna post some stupid, low effort comment to sound smart and interesting, don’t post at all. There’s absolutely no need for you to post anything if you’ve got nothing good to say.
Apple was literally founded and initially successful off Steve jobs monetizing Woz’s genius. It is not at all a stretch to claim Steve Jobs never innovated a thing.
In modern apple, of course they are far more likely to buy innovative technologies and fund development or copy competitors. Why would they spend money funding R&D when they can more cheaply buy out worthwhile concepts?
Yeah wtf is apple innovating?
Coincidentally, USB C. Just not on their mobile devices.
They were some of the first to ship a laptop with USB C, and they went balls out.
Not coincidentally. Ironically.
I bet you also think it’s the year of the Linux desktop 🙄
Y’all are unironically engaging with a NYPost article
It’s an insult to call this an article, is regurgitating some shit some dudes on twitter said.
Thats 50% of modern journalism. The other 50% is copying police press releases verbatim without investigation.
Eh. I mean, are there any great innovations left when it comes to smartphones? They kinda all just look and do the same nowadays.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
Functioning AI voice assist, foldable, better peripherals, better input systems, better data transfer between systems, more durable, better battery life, repairable, more sustainable, better UI, decentralised communication options, meshnet options, etc.
There’s plenty to do about smartphones that needs innovating…
They are always making Siri better (check out the news for it), I super do not want a foldable phone, the Apple peripherals are quite good, the data transfer between Apple systems is one of the main appeals of Apple, never broke an Apple product unless I chuck it at a wall, battery life is quite good I have a 4 year old phone that still has 24 hour battery life, Apple is committed to making not just their products but the entire company carbon neutral by 2030, Apple UI is also one of the main appeals since it’s so nice.
Apple is committed to making not just their products but the entire company carbon neutral by 2030
Literally every major company on the planet is, doesn’t mean they actually are working towards it.
Wow I’m sure the website from apple full of promises is a good indicator of how good they’re actually doing for the environment. I’m sure they’re also planning to stop their model based on mass producing new hardly-repairable phones every year and pushing consumers to buy them rather than keeping their functioning ones, sometimes by cutting support and bricking their old phones.
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Apple is always doing all of that other than the fokdable, which has been turned for a long time.
AirDrop and AirPlay are always getting better between Apple products. They literally just made the iPhone titanium for better durability. It has better battery life pretty much every year.
This one is more repairable than ever with the easily removable glass.
Those are all things Apple announces every year and everyone shits on them because it’s not innovative enough, like every year needs to be 2011 again when phones were making massive leaps year over year.
Like oh, this chip is only 20% faster than the last one with only 10% better battery life. Yawn.
Last I checked they’re not very keen on repairability (Being able to remove glass and being able to fix everything are two different things) and sustaniability (and no making a phone more efficient/produce less ghg/etc does not mean caring about sustainability when your whole model is mass producing and selling new phones every year while encouraging customers to ditch their current functioning phones for the new one, sometimes by purposefully removing support for them or bricking them with updates)
iPhones are more repairable than their comparable flagships from other companies. https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability
iFixit gave the 14 and 14 plus a 7 for repairability and a 6 for the pros, compared to a 3 for the Galaxy S22 and S22 ultra. The Pixel 6 pro only got a 5 and the base pixel 6 got a 6.
The 15 pro introduced more repairability with changing the back glass mechanism to be easily swappable, which was the biggest issue with earlier pro models and why they only got a 6.
They support phones longer than anyone else, and have a massively more robust recycling program to recapture virtually everything from older models and use them in new ones.
Also, plot twist, every company has the same model of encouraging you to buy a new one every year. That’s not specific to Apple in the least. Other companies essentially force you to upgrade sooner by dropping support entirely after a couple of versions while Apple supports for 5-7+ years.
At no point have I defended other companies, other than FairPhone, on either of those points.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
I’ve commented this elsewhere in this thread:
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now USB-C”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
I dislike Apple, but I think it’s mostly vendors and reviewers that highlight the connector (both protocol and form), Apple isn’t doing it.
Of course, they’re just being done on Android until Apple takes them on later and markets them as their innovations.
Foldables are already a thing and the next iPhone will likely be their version of it.
If people could easily point to what the future innovations would be, they wouldn’t be innovations.
Pov: you dont understand what innovation mean.
I’ll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.
Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but “Pro” naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.
The soc is super powerful, but iOS won’t even let you multitask anything. Can’t even download stuff in the background, or do anything in the background. You start a file upload? Too bad, app was killed as soon as you left it. While on android I can use ffmpeg for an hour in the background and it’s still running because I authorized it to run as long as it needs to run.
Unless forced this will never happen on Apple devices. The reason has nothing to do what they claim, about protecting users and people not knowing better. It has everything to do with locking people in their ecosystem. If uncurrated store appears it might bring with it applications that help people migrate out of the Apple ecosystem or provide compatibility with “undesired” devices. Better compatibility with Android watches means lower chances of people buying Apple Watch, etc.
EU has an upcoming law that will force Apple to allow sideloading apps.
Based EU strikes again
I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.
Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.
Foldables are catching on, they’re growing absurdly fast.
Exactly, they grow like 200% in the second it takes to unfold them
I got my fold because I was tired of incremental upgrades that didn’t make my phone feel any different than the last years phone (moved from Pixel 2 to pixel 3 right prices dropped when as pixel 6 launched). Sure it was faster but it didn’t feel any faster than when the old phone was new. The screen was the same size, it felt the same speed, why even spend the money? I wouldn’t pitch that anyone needs a foldable, but by that comparison noone “needs” a $1600 ultra/pro phone when base models are $800-900, but people do anyway. As long as I can afford the upgrade every 3 years, I will get the new one. when the screen finally gives.
At this point I’m trying to figure out what people want from yearly releases. iPhones are pretty much already packed with every feature imaginable. There’s not much more to add without completely transforming the device into something it isn’t.
The base model of the iPhone still doesn’t have USB 3 and won’t have the latest USB-PD. The USB 2 standard was released over 20 years ago. The Lightning plug was released over 10 years ago. The plug technology on iPhones is seemingly being kept out of date on purpose. At least that is what people are complaining about.
They repinned the current chipset from the current iPhone 14 to use USB-C, which is why the base model won’t be USB3. They’ve done this with every model, the previous pro becomes the base model chipset next gen.
Next year the base model will likely have USB3. And lightning worked for 99% of Apple users. The 1% complained a lot, but the majority of iPhone users no longer plug in their phone to anything but the wall.
Honestly, with wireless charging, I rarely even plug it into the wall anymore. The only time I really use the Lightning connector is when I’m out for extended periods of time and need to plug into a power bank.
Same here. I have a MagSafe charger stand on my desk and it’s pretty much the only place I charge now. There’s been a few times I’ve tried to transfer files, but iTunes was such a PoS on Windows that I gave up
Apple users really just didn’t notice the limitations. Whether you consider that “working” is up to you.
Apple users are used to their phones taking ninety minutes to charge and not lasting the whole day. They consider that “normal” and are unlikely to consider that for Android devices, even cheap ones, sub-1 hour fast charging and all-day battery life are standard, not exceptions.
Apple’s (previously) bundled charger is a measly 5 W whereas my cheap $150 OnePlus comes with a 33 W charger, delivering over six times as much power. Granted, Apple devices tend to be more power-efficient than others, but not six times less.
I use my iPhone extensively and it consistently lasts me all day. The iPhone 11 Pro came with a 20w charger in the box (although admittedly they removed the power adapter from the 12)
The context of my original comment is the base iPhone model. Nonetheless, it’s still to be noted that the default charger that came with your iPhone 11 (18 W, not 20 W) still delivers 45% less power than the default 33 W charger that came with my OnePlus Nord N20 5G.
From what I can read online, it takes one hour to go from 0 to 80% on an iPhone 11 Pro using the default charger. It takes my phone a bit over half an hour.
Remember, I am comparing an iPhone with an MSRP of $999 to a phone that I bought for $150. Refurbished iPhone 11 Pros still sell for $300.
I believe that my point that iPhones have comparatively poor chargers for their price point stands. Charging technology has not changed significantly from then to now. The effect of Apple’s recalcitrance is that even the cheapest Android phones can run circles around iPhones when it comes to charging. I hope Apple with take this opportunity to deliver a better product for their users rather than making only incremental improvements to old technology.
My $200 Motorola came with a 68w charger which is quite frankly ludicrous for a phone, and I prefer to use the slow charger so I don’t heat and damage my battery unless I’m in a hurry (and my phone always lasts a whole day of heavy use so I’m almost never in a hurry to charge)
I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.
10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn’t find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn’t as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn’t much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can’t insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I’m not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.
I want the iPhone mini back, that’s really it. Everything else is pretty minor at this point.
It has nothing to do with features and performance, most people don’t use those anyway. You really don’t need 8-core CPU on your phone but it’s 2 more than 6 and me having 8 and you having 6 has everything to do with that. People love status symbols and pointing them out to others, as if that makes them better by comparison or something.
No matter what others say, you really don’t feel limitations of your device. Sure screen might feel a bit faster, animations might feel more fluid. None of those a crucial to device operation and use and certainly not worth paying premium price for newest iteration that has all those marginally improved. It’s just consumerism at work.
Case in point, pretty much every MacBook Pro has a TPM chip on it (trusted platform module). Guess how many people used it or has it configured to supply entropy to their systems to increase security. ThinkPads also have those, but most other laptops don’t. Even most developers don’t know what those are. They are great addition and extra feature for business users… but for the most part it’s just another thing on the spec sheet that people pay for but never use.
As for the every imaginable feature… it seems they are being removed rather than added. I found 3.5mm jack useful. I wish we still had qwerty keyboards on our big screen devices as most used feature of phones these days is typing. I wish we had expansion slots and memory cards. I wish we had replaceable batteries so you don’t have to depend on finding an outlet on long trips. I wish we had sapphire screens so you don’t have to worry about scratching your screen. I wish we had smaller devices because some people just need a phone and not a tablet or they have smaller hands. But naaah… removing those is considered brave.
Lol wot? “Every feature imaginable” 🤣🤣🤣 did I read this right?!
They just haven’t yet “imagined” the many new features we have received in the last few years from non-Apple phones. Don’t worry, once Apple “imagines” it, they will acknowledge the only logical truth they could conceive. That Steve Jobs’ consciousness uploaded to an iMac has graced them with innovation once again.
So stop buying them!
1/2 the people complaining about the lack of innovation will turn around and order a new iPhone within the next 12 months or so. Apple doesn’t know or care about your snarky comments about them, but they sure as hell know you just gave them many hundreds of dollars for a new phone.
You don’t buy Apple products for the technology or innovations anymore, now you buy Apple products for the bragging rights of being able to pay premium prices for things everyone else has been using for a decade that have a lot more features for a fraction of the price.
This is a take I would expect to see on Reddit, it’s simply not true. None of those devices run iOS either which is what a lot of people prefer. It’s okay to dislike something, you don’t need to insult the people that do.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone. Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
I look forward to experimenting with different things connected to see how they work. I’m curious how video out is handled. But I’m guessing I’ll be disappointed in most cases.
I expect being able to connect a usb drive will be helpful though.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone.
Android users welcome you to 2017…
Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
…or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so… good luck with that.
Honestly I am fine with it. It looks like they did not have the usb3 controller built into the cpu until they made the 17 and m1 chips. To be honest, I am not going be moving any large files between the phone and a flash drive, at most a short video. The slower speeds will not bother me.
Ngl they kinda are right. The last time I saw a feature that made me consider them was maybe like 4-6 years ago. I still bloody love Ipods tho.
Did you forget about the groundbreaking feature of the removal of the audio jack?
And the micro SD card
And the SIM card tray
Honestly fuck Apple for that and starting that fucking stupid ass trend.
That’s probably true for most phones. There’s only so much you can do with the black obelisk they’ve all become and now we’re just quibbling over what external connections they have. I mean you could tweak the camera, put in a better battery, better processor…but the obelisk phone is done as far as what can be “innovated”.
I just want a 3d holoprojector on my phone, is that so much to ask?
Yeah agreed.
Hear this remark every year now.
iPhone users wouldn’t piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?
The last real innovation in phones was the first iPhone in 2007. Android was an evolution of what the iPhone started, not a revolution.
Yes, that’s why I’m still driving my model T Ford, because I’m waiting for the next big thing.
Evolution can lead to significant change over time.
lol
corporate wants to know the difference between these two phone versions
“its the same phone”
The only thing apple can really do to push the platform forward is to allow people to dock their phone and use it as a desktop.
But they are not doing this because it will hurt their laptop and desktop sales.
They also don’t want to let people sideload. They know that people will not want to use a washed down desktop version because people don’t like using the washed down iPadOS desktop version.
Apple fans are delusional, the iPhone has always don’t tiny ass incremental changes. This is par for the course.
