I don’t get the name calling.
I support Israel right to defend itself (and by logic, Hamas will defend as well), but fully acknowledge challenging the methods, actions and propaganda of each side.
This is a conflict, there is enough shit going around - we don’t need to bring religion into this. Call out shit people, call out bias, and absolutely call out people who think they can hide behind religion.
(Love the meme, great not seeing the same repeated crap).
Except Israel isn’t just defending themselves anymore. They’re carpet bombing Gaza trying to turn it into a parking lot.
If Israel was just defending themselves, nobody would have an issue with that.
Instead, they’re bombing hospitals, and murdering children in cold blood. And the president of Israel has made some very concerning comments indicating that he doesn’t see Palestinians as people.
So, yeah, saying Israel has a right to defend itself is a complete mischaracterization of what’s going on right now over there.
And I can also argue that when you have a neighbor that launches soo many rockets across the border that you have one of the best and most expensive anti-rocket defenses in the world, that has proven in the last few day that it still exists, you won’t stop until its gone.
This conflict exists because politicians and the intl community failed miserably - Rwanda level failed. I blame the UNSC personally.
As I’ve said in other comments before, I seriously hope that regardless of who you support, at the end of this conflict the acts above and beyond proportionality are thoroughly investigated, and I hope to see militants and politicians on both sides swinging in prison by the end of it.
I personally blame the failure of the United States, United Kingdom, and United Soviet Socialist Republics for their failure to deal with the humanitarian crisis of 1930s Germany (read: accept all Jewish refugees) resulting in a traumatized stateless people feeling they needed to reclaim their ancestral home by any means necessary as an existential crisis. From there we have seen failure after failure to attempt peaceful coexistence from either side or to attempt safe and peaceful decolonization from the Israeli government or any other world government or for the world to accept Palestinians’ right to create a nation
Except the Zionists have been working to conquer the place since the 19th century. They even wanted an arrangement with the Nazis to settle in Judea… but not for the Jews that were poor. Only the rich ones.
And I repeat: Zionists. Not Jews. Zionists.
They’re committing genocide now, which is ironic given who’s doing it.
Assuming yes, I don’t know if I’d call it ironic. Any group is just as capable as any other regardless of history.
And before you call me a genocide denier, there is a good reason I’ve reserved that statement at this stage. I wouldn’t be surprised if that changes shortly.
Will you be surprised when that statement doesn’t change?
Israeli Professor on Rafah: “We Are Witnessing an Unfolding Genocide”
I want to say yes, but also aware that legal definitions take a long time to work through. Current discussions by those much further in the know are “allegations” of genocide, “could amount” to genocide, “could lead to” genocide.
Are the flags there - absolutely. The hold out (as far as im aware) is the intent vs causality aspect. I suspect investigation will start to lean to intent existing.
Legal definitions in the end are trying to turn a hammer into a scalpel.
They don’t fucking matter for moral judgments.
Israel is committing a genocide to anyone with even a highschool level knowledge of history. Want a simple definition that is very effective?
Any government that intentionally withholds food, medicine, and potable water from a population it considers undesirable is intentionally committing genocide.
Starvation is historically the most effective method and most used method of committing genocide. Everyone knows what the outcome is. Anyone trying to use legal definitions at this point is an asshole genocide denier trying to pretend they’re not.
Like you.
Wonder what happened to make Palestinians want to launch rockets across the border?
Zionists pretending to be both sides moderates is truly hilarious.
Consider making a new account instead of the one you used to shill for 6 months straight
Oh look, first word in the post
Truly a mystery why people keep calling you that. We’ll never know.
Na, its pretty obvious why, even to you.
Quick mental exercise - the conflict is suspended in the next 10 minutes, a “permanent ceasefire”. Every aid truck is permitted in, Israel withdraws to their state, intl community is released.
Do you think Israel will go “we achieved everything we want to, Hamas is no longer a threat, let’s disband our Iron dome, cease CMT, live our best lives”.
Do you think Hamas will unify Palestine and usher in a new era of peace and stability, cease attacks on Israel because its not worth it, join the international community in rebuilding Palestine to be prosperous.
Do you think the intl community is shocked enough to never let this happen again?
If you truly think Hamas is not as bad or worse than Israeli counter-actions, you should reflect on your own beliefs. In this conflict, the military wings of both sides ARE deplorable and deserve universal condemnation. Hamas’s goal is the eradication of Jews; any benefit to the Palestinians under their thumb is accidental at best. If you support Hamas, you support genocide. If you support the IDF’s actions, you support genocide. Full stop.
Educate yourself. The kids your united terrorist state of Israel is killing are becoming Hamas. Hamas didn’t fall from the sky to kill Jews. Palestinians are Muslim, Christians and Jews. But you don’t care about Palestinian Jews because they’re not white; they’re Arab.
What the fuck is a Zionist? I been seeing this on lemmy past few days and have no idea what gen Z bs this even is.
This reminds me of republicans in early 2000s equating bashing on the Iraq war with not supporting the troops.
Fuck them genocidal fascist troops
