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      5 months ago

      Despite the recent slow sales, Boeing still has a huge backlog of over 5,600 orders

      I wonder what those orders are? They could be mainly orders for extra bolts.

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        Boeing is the industry in the military-industrial-complex. Commercial jetliners are an ancillary product for them.

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          No, their airlines are not an ancillary product. They are their main product. According to Boeing’s earnings reports, the commercial aircraft segment of the company made up 56% of total revenue in 2018, 42% in 2019, 27% in 2020, 30% in 2021, 38% in 2022, and 43% in 2023. The rest of their revenue is split between the Defense, Space and Security segment, and the Global Services segment.

          Prior to 2017, the vast majority of the earnings for the whole company came from the Commercial Airplanes segment. Since then, that segment has been operating at a loss. Since 2022, both Defense and Commercial Airplanes have been operating at a loss.

          If you’re curious you can look up Boeing’s 10-k form. Page 56 has the revenue breakdowns.

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        Those are orders for the 737. Not parts, newly constructed aircraft. Airbus’s similary sized A320 has a backlog of 7197 according to wikipedia.

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      It’s not so much what the Boeing CEO called the issue so much as a technical term for when a non-conforming product gets sold at its planned inspection operation.

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    I’m sure the millionaire dipshits who cut corners and killed people are super worried.

    laughs in golden parachute

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    The 737 Max is a garbage product they crashed and burned with their MCAS woes. They should give up the iconic product line and go all in on selling the safer 777 as its replacement. Yes, its built for a greater range, but the 777 hasn’t been fucked with in terms of fail-deadly systems yet, and its the safest plane Boeing has in its fleet.

    Boeing’s customers are already out-ordering other models over the 737 Max, the decision is being made for them!

    If they do nothing, Airbus will get enough orders to expand its factories and blow through its backlog.

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      Or in an even darker timeline Lockheed-Martin or Raytheon will open a commercial division, I guess at least the shit will work

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    Yeah, yeah, but the executives that took the various decisions that made Boeing what it is now are even more millionaire than when they started at Boeing and will not see the inside of a jail cell, ever.

    So we can all rest easy knowing that those we are constantly told are the most important people who deserve to be paid so much because of being risk takers and wealth creators, will be just fine, as if a few “nobody” whistleblowers had to be taken out, well, that’s a price the trully important risk taking wealth creators were willing to pay.

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    Interestingly enough, even if it would make sense that boeing is now fully focusing on improving quality, it also makes sense to me that airbus must be ensuring and pushing a lot of quality upgrades as well, it would be perfect marketing for them if no mistakes whatsoever happened on airbus’s planes

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      And if they didn’t develop the culture of sweeping safety issues under the rug at all levels, they won’t have much trouble keeping ahead because I’m sure that even at the height of Boeing’s safety ignoring, I bet most of the communication still looked like they took safety seriously. Just those in the know realized that they could make themselves look better by faking it and their management wouldn’t care. I’ve gotta assume that some number of them will think the current safety culture overhaul is really trying to send a message of “just be smarter about ignoring safety, don’t let it get to the point where doors fall off mid-flight and we need to kill some whistleblowers”.

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    Even if they gave them away for free, no one would take them for commercial use. Not sure who would be surprised at this ‘news’

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    Could it be a purposeful effort by foreign entities to discredit and dilute american corporate giants reputations by placing sympathetic people into positions that would bring that about?

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      why would boeing need help damaging its reputation? It seems to be doing a great job of that on its own.

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        So you dont think the people running things could be put there by any actions of a foreign nature? For instance a hiring manager, hr executive, or someone in a similar role?

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          I think its more if you look at what they did and the problems they’re having all came after a merger with McDonnel Douglas and seem to be a typical case of corporate “fire people for reporting bad numbers” aka “kill the messenger” along with lots of outsourcing. Which results in numbers go up but at the cost of QA/QC.

          This is all standard reaganomics and like nearly every other company that went down this road while selling real physical products they’re now reaping the fruits they’ve sown for over 20 years.