I read at least the first two das kapitals in my upper secondary years (maybe the third too but can’t recall tbh). Reckon that’d be pretty basic introductory baby’s first taste of trash political ideologies.
Imma level down with you, I have no fucking recollection it was almost 20 years ago. I am leftist, and have been, but after reading through that I came to the conclusion that I am not a fucking looney and started living a life of a normal person.
Yep. But to be fair, most theories get thrown in the bin after multiple failed trials. Fascism was tried at a couple places but after Oppenheiming and explaining to certain Austrian painter how and why that theory is trash, it’s stayed at it’s rightful place as a fringe ideology for attention seekers and lunatics. Why communism is still a valid theory after multiple failed irl trials and genocides inherently linked to the theory, is beyond me. But I view communism as more of a cult than a real political ideology anyway.
Faschism is self-eating in it’s nature, but it is still a tool of those who hope they’d die before it fails. We haven’t got rid of it. It is practiced as we speak.
Communism had little chances to be proven wrong or right. In the end, communist rhetoric is one thing, communist praxis is another. And the latter was rarely even practiced, although proclaimed like it was. I believe it gets some points right and needs to be experimented with.
For sure, but it’s also not nearly as prevalent as it was less than hundred years ago, and that’s good. Societies tried it out (voluntarily too) and later discovered it was a mistake. You know, reality lets you know how well it fairs. Communism too was tried out and every time has failed after naturally turning into autocracy, as it does - inherently - as a built-in mechanic included in communism.
There is a reason liberalism was the only major ideology to survive to 2000’s, it was tried out and it works in reality. Not without it’s flaws, you can blame US for a lot of things and pin them on capitalism, while willfully ignoring how every flaw you pointed out is fixed by social democracy, not socialism that supposedly morphs into communism (which again, it doesn’t and never will, it’s always autocracy and fascism-lite as seen with reality).
There are 0 commie nations that aren’t miserable shitholes. History knows no commie nation that wasn’t a miserable shithole. The ones that have at least some post-60s technologies are the ones that used capitalist markets to get hold of them.
Personally I’m doing well in my nordic welfare state, bang on capitalism with literally 0 downsides. I honestly don’t really care what some slightly obese guy who doesn’t know how to groom himself thinks about the theory of it, shit works in practice and that’s what I care about. Also NATO is fucking awesome, guns and shit, it’s cool.
I bet the people starving in Cuba would love a hypersonic meme, or some other wunderwaffe that’ll surely make the evil americans bend their knee.
And then we have a commie whose argument against reality is - let’s see - violence. How surprising, I’ve never seen this turn of events from commies before in history. Truly a first, not foreseen by the extensive research into theory (instead of reality).
I read at least the first two das kapitals in my upper secondary years (maybe the third too but can’t recall tbh). Reckon that’d be pretty basic introductory baby’s first taste of trash political ideologies.
Cool, what were the biggest problems you’ve found with them, and did you read later marxist critiques of those problems?
As a marxist leninist, I know those books have plenty of flaws, so I’m curious about which ones stood out to you.
Imma level down with you, I have no fucking recollection it was almost 20 years ago. I am leftist, and have been, but after reading through that I came to the conclusion that I am not a fucking looney and started living a life of a normal person.
Okay, so you don’t remember any communist theory but you know it is all trash, understood.
Yep. But to be fair, most theories get thrown in the bin after multiple failed trials. Fascism was tried at a couple places but after Oppenheiming and explaining to certain Austrian painter how and why that theory is trash, it’s stayed at it’s rightful place as a fringe ideology for attention seekers and lunatics. Why communism is still a valid theory after multiple failed irl trials and genocides inherently linked to the theory, is beyond me. But I view communism as more of a cult than a real political ideology anyway.
Faschism is self-eating in it’s nature, but it is still a tool of those who hope they’d die before it fails. We haven’t got rid of it. It is practiced as we speak.
Communism had little chances to be proven wrong or right. In the end, communist rhetoric is one thing, communist praxis is another. And the latter was rarely even practiced, although proclaimed like it was. I believe it gets some points right and needs to be experimented with.
For sure, but it’s also not nearly as prevalent as it was less than hundred years ago, and that’s good. Societies tried it out (voluntarily too) and later discovered it was a mistake. You know, reality lets you know how well it fairs. Communism too was tried out and every time has failed after naturally turning into autocracy, as it does - inherently - as a built-in mechanic included in communism.
There is a reason liberalism was the only major ideology to survive to 2000’s, it was tried out and it works in reality. Not without it’s flaws, you can blame US for a lot of things and pin them on capitalism, while willfully ignoring how every flaw you pointed out is fixed by social democracy, not socialism that supposedly morphs into communism (which again, it doesn’t and never will, it’s always autocracy and fascism-lite as seen with reality).
Capitalism has a higher failure and genocide rate than communism, whether that capitalism is regular or fascist flavored.
There are 0 commie nations that aren’t miserable shitholes. History knows no commie nation that wasn’t a miserable shithole. The ones that have at least some post-60s technologies are the ones that used capitalist markets to get hold of them.
Personally I’m doing well in my nordic welfare state, bang on capitalism with literally 0 downsides. I honestly don’t really care what some slightly obese guy who doesn’t know how to groom himself thinks about the theory of it, shit works in practice and that’s what I care about. Also NATO is fucking awesome, guns and shit, it’s cool.
Famously the US has hypersonic missiles, unlike communist shithole China.
Literally a woman who could probably kick your ass lmao
I bet the people starving in Cuba would love a hypersonic meme, or some other wunderwaffe that’ll surely make the evil americans bend their knee.
And then we have a commie whose argument against reality is - let’s see - violence. How surprising, I’ve never seen this turn of events from commies before in history. Truly a first, not foreseen by the extensive research into theory (instead of reality).