• john_brown [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    17 days ago

    America has the largest prison population on the planet, with slave labor,removed, torture, inadequate medical care, and inhumane conditions. That’s the America liberals don’t want you to see.

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      17 days ago

      liberals are complaining about those exact problems and trying to reform the American prison system.

      Sanders has a bill to ban for-profit prisons, for example. do you mean conservatives?

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        17 days ago

        No, I mean liberals, that’s why I typed liberals.

        You’re right, sometimes the liberals complain about it. But who was their last president? The guy who wrote the 94 crime bill and the Patriot act. Who was their last presidential candidate (hand picked, no primary)? A career prosecutor, attorney general, and self described “top cop” of California who famously kept people in prison past their release date, among other unforgivably evil shit.

        Hey remind me, is Bernie Sanders a Democrat? What happened when he ran in the presidential primary, did the Democrats rally behind him and his prison reform, or did they vilify him and use backdoor tricks to tank his two attempts?

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          its antagonists are to be judged by their actions.

          Nah, they’re judged by what our propaganda says their intentions are.

          Yeah, hundreds of millions are out of poverty, but at what cost?

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            @[email protected] is describing the standard judgement process of liberals. Western countries are typically judged on their stated intentions, eg Biden claiming to have done everything he could to get a ceasefire in Gaza, while actually supplying Israel with everything they needed.

            Liberals, however, do not extend such courtesy to non-Western countries, and moreover tend to accept the narrative most pushed in the media about such countries despite distorting the quantity and quality of events.

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              oh, well…that’s not what’s happening here. I try not to conflate everything with one thing.

              The leaps these commenters make are broad.

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                It seems to me that you’re guilty of being evasive, like when I asked you to clearly state your position on the quantity and quality of the re-education camps in Xinjiang. You’re just wasting your own time more than anything, by lacking a firm and coherent stance and sources to support your argument, you weaken every statement you make.

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                    Even in this very comment, you refused to clearly state your position on the quantity and quality of the re-education camps in Xinjiang. This is evasion.

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                  16 days ago

                  not me.

                  1. I’m reporting facts rather than judging

                  2. there’s no bias on the east or west from my comments.

                  obviously I can’t speak for the bias if all of these other excited commenters.

                  I’m interested in actions and intentions, regardless of country.

                  not just actions and intentions, but complete historical events within context.

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                    I’m reporting facts rather than judging

                    No you aren’t

                    there’s no bias on the east or west from my comments.

                    Yes there is.

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        17 days ago

        lol. lmao. Liberals support the current Amerikkkan prison system at least implicitly: the Democrats’ last presidential candidate was top-cop, after all, and she was an integral part of that system. Sanders? The genocide apologist who recently said Trump’s immigration plans had some good points?

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            No, it’s the same one, how many Sandereses are there in Amerikkkan politics anyway?

            Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said there is one thing he agreed with President Trump about: curbing illegal immigration and the flow of fentanyl into the country. Sanders joined ABC News’s “This Week,” where host Jonathan Karl asked if there was anything Trump has done right. “I think cracking down on fentanyl, making sure our borders are stronger,” Sanders replied. “Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate, and I happen to think we need comprehensive immigration reform, but I don’t think it’s appropriate for people to be coming across the border illegally.”

            Your liberal hero.

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              Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate

              Not only it’s appropriate, it’s extremely cool and good. Didn’t Bernie sing This Land is Your Land that one time? Poser ass removed

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        The US Media has done such a wonderful job cooping the political category of “Liberal” such that it has almost no meaning. Liberal in this context, means, a person with a world view centered around “Liberalism”, which, above all other things, promotes and defends the concepts of Private Property (not to be confused with personal property). The banning of for-profit prisons, aka private prisons, does not align with this dominate world view within the American political system. The Democrats will align with the Republicans and block Sander’s bill from gaining any momentum.

        If sanders really wanted to deal a blow to the American prison system, he would be putting forth a motion to amend the constitution and remove slavery as a constitutionally protected form of punishment for criminals.