Haven’t seen another post for election updates yet, so creating this. Share your bets on how many times Anthony Green is going to have a screen malfunction.
Good news, apparently Australia does not like politicians who align themselves with fascists
Bad news, not a minority government
Not looking good for the greens at all, I’m really surprised Melbourne has turned on them by the looks of it ?
In the lower house. Senate currently looks likely to have a Greens balance of power. https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2025/results/senate
Beware the propaganda.
Yoo, nice result. Shout outs from Canada.
Man by the way they go on you’d think the greens had been in government.
Just jealous because you’re total babes.
All the running from the cops after vandalising signage keeps us fit and trim
Congrats on taking care of your garbage.
I feel sorry for Dutton’s kids. They only have a choice of one out of eight properies each…
Very tough going
I wonder how Gina is handling the news tonight
On Sky, Andrew Bolt just blamed Elon Musk for Peter Dutton not winning on Donald Trump’s platform.
I just can’t…
Omg, that’s fucking hilarious!
Dutton was poison and deeply unpopular already in the Scomo years. Looks like people didn’t forget. I’m starting to feel some landslide vibes here early on.
Pretty big swing against him in Dickson right now. He might lose his own seat.
Some of the ABC commentators sound like they can’t finish their sentences because they are full on having an orgasm lol
People of Dickson had an opportunity to do the funniest thing of all term and they took it.
You bloody rippers you <3
On the one hand, a bit disappointed that the Greens haven’t done amazingly on results so far. But I have a huge sense of relief that Dutton and the Coalition have been soundly rejected.
Haven’t seen senate results yet. Greens may be the ‘keep the bastards honest’ choice there
I was wearing a Nazi uniform in a private Facebook post and it’s the media’s fault that the voting public found out about it. - Jacinta Price
That was some of the most twisted logic I’d ever heard.
I was wearing the hat as a joke, and four words have no meaning, but you need to take me seriously!
WAT?
As someone watching from the other side of the world - is this another election victory that can be chalked up to Trump?
With this kind of a swing, and the opposition leader losing his seat, it does seem that way, at least in part. But many people don’t like Dutton either I think.
Just wish the Labour party in the UK would learn from this rather than triangulating with Farage’s fucking racist bullshit.
If Labour take anything from this election its that Starmer should walk into his cabinet room tomorrow/this morning and put all his chips on electoral reform.
Top of the list, ‘soft mandatory’ voting. He’s surely got the numbers in Parliament, he’s already quite unpopular, and he’s probably someone you could trust to deliver electoral reform that represents what the people in a given election want, not skew ot to what a Party wants.
The Conservatives would never do electoral reform, and if they did, theres no-one there that could be technocratic enough to be reliable. So it could be the UK’s best chance in a long time.
Top of the list, ‘soft mandatory’ voting
Absolutely not. Mandatory voting is great, but the number one two and three thing is voting system reform. They had an IRV referendum a few years back and it failed. Maybe they could take MMP to the people in the future and get more support, and leapfrog is into having an even better system.
But with the rise of Reform over there, I’m not sure they’d want to risk giving smaller parties a path to electoral success.
Na, you need to get the people to the booths, otherwise your always pumping for turnout each election cycle.
Without mandatory voting a dissafected electorate will be more likely to not vote as their message to the politicians in a given election, than send a message by voting. In those circumstances, which the UK is finding itself in a lot! (Brexit included here.) You need to demand the populace make their voices heard.
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There is a practical reason, MMP, IRV, whatever you choose are far more complicated to explain than, ‘you must vote, or i’ll hit you over the head with some parsley.’ Mandatory voting is simple to understand, and demands voters become more engaged, which would help with further reform.
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Smaller parties have to have a path to success, a party of Government needs to be theoretically possible for them all. Genuine electoral reform would need to account for that, otherwise they’d fail to live up to the demands of democratic governance. But this is why I say as an unpopular technocrat, Starmer could be in a rare position here.
Choice-ranking systems aren’t hard to explain: “put these people in the order you prefer them”.
The anti-AV campaign had Cameron reading out an algorithm for the vote counting process in a dull voice and trying to establish: “yes well I went to Eton and although I am very clever I find this difficult”. The AV referendum failed in large part because it was a LibDem thing and people wanted to give Clegg a shoeing for going back on his election pledges. (That Clegg got outplayed by Cameron tells you everything you need to know about what a useless chancer he is.)
Well, put it this way, whats harder?
Everybody of voting age has to vote.
Or (for example),
Number the candidates in order of most preferred. (Ranked Choice)
I think the first one is simpler to communicate than the second, and in an electoral reform decision like this simplicity of communication is very important.
But thats my point, not that IRV or MMP, et al, are uniquely hard or complicated to understand.
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As a Perthlet, I’m pretty happy overall. Only real disappointment is Canning; would have thought it’s within Labor’s grasp but currently looks like a 5% swing against Labor, even after sitting MP Andrew Hastie said we should give our mineral stockpiles to Trump to stop the tarriffs. Any Mandurah locals have some insight into the sentiment - is it the Keep The Sheep campaign maybe?
Its definitely gona be Keep the Sheep for part of it. I’m surprised it wasn’t more of an issue in the end.
A friend, (not a farmer), at the start of the WA election campaign was getting hot under the collar about Labor’s live export ban. I said to him, “this is a minority issue, its hardly going to touch the sides in terms of political issues.”
I stand by that comment, but man, they’re a noisy bloody minority! They certainly made me feel i’s gona have to eat my words.
Here in Albany those fucking keep the sheep signs are everywhere, a noisy minority indeed.
Personally I’m not sympathetic. Farmers just have a lot of tax concessions. It’s been plain to see for years that live export was going to stop sooner or later. If you were exposed to that risk, well, you should have taken action to manage it.
Yeah, they’ve been insane all over my area as well. I struggle to remember any campaign that has been so active.
I haven’t read an argument for it that doesn’t rely in the greater part on emotion. I’ve seen very little sober argument for the negative effects of the ban.
The key argument i’ve read is it delivers the industry into an abbotoir monopoly, this is undoubtedly a problem, which is in old Economic parlance a market failure. I’m slowly going to the Mariana Mazzucato view of Economics, so i see the live export closure as an opportunity for market shaping, by the stakeholders, gov, busines individuals, farmers, involved in it.
An idea the WA Government should consider is a government owned abbotoir which can set a steady floor on the prices farmers get for the sheep. Sorry if i get a little gross hereafter. But the meat from this abbotoir doesn’t necessarily have to find a profitable buyer, but can be used to deliver high protein food to disadvantaged communities here, and internationally. Abbotoir meat purchases could constitute a part of the Australian international food aid budget, or sent out to aboriginal communities, food shelters in the city, or island communities or nations in the pacific.
Ah, sorry… the “negative effects of the ban” are the deleterious effects on graziers. There are many farmers who had a flock worth $500k which is now worth $100k. Some large graziers are not breeding more sheep because they can’t sell the ones they have.
A lot of these operations are big businesses and in some cases the existing format just isn’t viable any more.
As I said I’m not very sympathetic because that’s just how things go if you want to run a business, but it’s definitely a big deal for some people.
For example, a farmer might be in their late 60s and saying “I’ve been working with sheep for 50 years and it’s all I know” and for their farm to continue they need to transition to cropping or some such.
One silly argument against live export that I heard some people parroting is that if Australia doesn’t do it some other country will and the standards of care for the sheep will be much lower than ours. That’s just bullshit IMO.
The requirement for live export is, as in all things, a money thing. It’s cheaper to ship them live because you don’t need refrigeration, and you don’t need Australian-Standards-Compliant abattoirs paying Australian wages.
Yeah, there’s definitely a risk premium that can come into proceedings where decisions and their implementations are rolling through quickly, can’t think of a specific international example… oh wait, yes i can :)…, but the policy for the live export ban is super slow, predictable and with plenty of finacial supports.
One silly argument against live export that I heard some people parroting is that if Australia doesn’t do it some other country will and the standards of care for the sheep will be much lower than ours. That’s just bullshit IMO.
Even if that did happen, big if, thats happening all over the world in all kinds of areas. We can only control what we do, and attempt to set a better example where we can. It is such a bullshit, and cynical argument. As soon as i hear that, i generally start thinking the other person is debating in bad faith.
I actually just had a read of some of the submissions from farmers.
I’ll be honest in that they do raise some compelling points. Notably, as a major exporter Australia presently sets the standard of care for all nations, so I think there is some truth to the idea that animals will suffer more after we withdraw.
However, I hadn’t realised that a phase out is in place. 3 years doesn’t seem an unreasonable period in which to transition.
That is an interesting perspective. A kind of standard setter position can be hard to quantify. Is it better to be in the tent or outside.
But thats really been the heart of the issue for over a decade, its a key decision that i wish the emotional barbs would give more space to, because its omportant to get right.
I’ll say the industry was put on notice during the Gillard Government over live sheep export that thjbgs needed to change, and a lot of changes seemed to be made from Austraoia’s end.
But the underlying issues after hand over i can’t see have changed much. So isuppose you could take that as a point against that case that Australias influence lifts the standards of all in this area. But thats a circumstantial point at best.
Wow Labor almost got a clean sweep in tas.
Is that a reaction to State level politics?
Or do they just hate the Federal Libs?
A little from column A, little from column B. Our state libs have been closer to the Teals in politics. Dutto going full retard probably turned off quite a few people.
Then there’s also the stadium and fish farms. Protest votes to indies and greens probably flowed to Labor before Liberal.
Yeah the fish farms, i wish they’d worked better than they have. Years ago they were touted as such a sustainable way of business. Its sad to see the reality never lived up to the hype.
