• AyyLMAO@lemmy.ml
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    If you’re waiting around for someone with more power than it takes to stand in a road with a sign to do anything, you will be waiting until your dying day.

    Which, to be clear, is exactly what I expect will happen. Impeding society is seen as worse than destroying society, so inaction will destroy society. Because on the other side of inaction by the working class, is the massive (and massively destructive) action that we currently facilitate. Which means we are the problem, and our only choice is whether to also be a part of the solution. The solution being the mobilization of the working class. Which naturally takes the form of small actions against system (like blocking traffic and doing PR stunts) when numbers are still small because that is exactly what the working class is capable of doing.

    I’m sure I’ve already triggered enough lemmies so I’ll go ahead and add, that non-activists calling for activists to destroy infrastructure are not wrong - but they are harmful, not helpful. If they believe in the statement and if this is their true criticism of activists, then those individuals would become activists following their own ideas of what works. But people who are actually activists understand the enormous challenges in such a task while living in a modern security state, and more importantly that the culture is still too non-activist and anti-activist for these actions to catch on meaningfully. Society does not see itself as the problem here. The truth is that the people crying about traffic would be crying significantly more if their consumerism is in the slightest way impaired. They only want to be against the problem, without actually be against the problem.

    I hope you all understand what this means mechanistically even if you disagree about where I place my values and judgment: Our families will all be coming to an untimely end. Those of us who are still alive when the cascades begin, will die. If you’re my age and nothing takes you out early, you will die due to climate change caused by our industrial society. If you’re rich you might live a few extra years and die in a bunker.

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    Eh, it honestly depends on what the climate protestors are doing. If they’re chaining themselves to people’s cars, painting aeroplanes with toxic paint (so the company has to use toxic chemicals to remove it), or glue themselves to the autobahn, then they’re honestly just making a mockery out of climate activism.

    Moira who can’t get to work because some cunt chained themselves to her wheel isn’t going to become an ally when she gets scolded by her shitty boss for being late due to something she can’t control. She needs to pay her landlords mortgage and put food on the table for her kids. Her old car might not be the most environmentally friendly but it might be the only option she has.

    Picket parliament. Organise big costly strikes. Build gillotines and kidnap the CEOs and investors of big oil. Or you know, do something productive, like show the impact a small pond and some wildflowers can make in a green desert, or maybe work to restore wetlands.

    Most people do care, but don’t have the time or capacity to do shit about it. If you have the time and energy to fuck over Duncan on his way to his shitty second job so he can pay for his mortgage and his student loans, you have time to fuck over the people that have the power to help you actually make a change.

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      I’m sorry, how are they getting their hands on toxic paint? Are are they making it themselves? If it’s the later then they have really just undone the entire of their “point”.

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    Greenies:Stop oil now!

    Also greenies: *obstructs nuclear power for 60+ years. *

    Please stop pretending we can run society on wind and solar.

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      We can run society on wind and solar, and it’s looking more and more of a certainty that the price of the alternatives will bankrupt all of them.

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      You can. With nuclear as the baseline. Infinitely (not literally) more clean than fossil fuels and way, WAY more safe even including Chornobyl in the stats.

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      Just try to actually target the people with decision-making power to see what happens.

      Those “we must have an impact!” protest never do that.

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    Protest at the big corporations, cool, I might show up.

    Protest in the middle of the fucking road, and you might get hit…

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      We get it, you care as long as your selfish ass isn’t inconvenienced. I so love a society that pretends to care oh so much about democracy and the average person supposedly being able to change things and then being so angry about then being the target of protests when they don’t take the actions to change things.

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        You think they don’t know, or don’t care? They can’t do shit about it because individual people aren’t the root of the problem. “Inconveniencing” someone by potentially costing them their livelihood and home isn’t going to win you any support.

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      Protest in the middle of the fucking road, and you might get hit…

      This guy has so many edges he became a sphere.