It’s not like any candidate was actually good but they did pick the worst one.

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      Yeah right. If he wins, he’s free. Shame on the justice department for not completing a single trial in FOUR FUCKING YEARS. Have they even started any of them? No way any of them are wrapped up before the election. The wheels of justice turn slowly. Yeah, yadda yadda yadda. They’re barely turning at all against this fat fucking loser.

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        His lawyers have run out pretty much every option to delay trials, although several judges have seemed pretty damn complicit as well. I get wanting to make sure the case is as airtight as possible, but…the people they’re worried about pissing off with a case that isn’t entirely formed, were just going to be pissed off anyway.

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      There is almost no chance they are gonna lock him up. He could openly murder someone with his own hands, on stage, and he would still be able to run in the elections.

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      After decades of headlines like the one you just posted absolutely nothing has happened.

      Trump is bulletproof and he knows it, and now, he doesn’t have to lie about how shitty his opponent in the race is.

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      Trying to prosecute him for his real crimes is honestly damaging the election chances of Biden, lots of voters with a vicarious persecution complex through Trump.

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    The problem is I actually see Trump winning by breaking every system in the process and the ramifications will be, well, bad

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      His followers were loyal enough to ransack the Capitol building, what would he have them do in the face of his conviction or disqualification?

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        Who cares? Let’s get it over with. Causing opposition to move fearfully has served these traitors for too long now. We will do the right thing, within the limits of the law. We will not allow fear to dictate how we respond to evil.

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    Anyone else looking into viable countries to move to if this shitshow happens again? Whats your top 3 list??

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      The fashycons are taking over all around the world. They’ve managed to convince everyone that this shit economy is anyone’s fault but theirs.

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      netherlands, denmark, maybe germany, maybe finland. i’d most rather live in the netherlands or possibly denmark, although it’d probably make more sense for me to want to live in germany or finland because i don’t speak dutch or danish lmao. regardless though getting permanent residence in denmark or finland is practically a hopeless goal for a majority of people, so they’re basically out of the question

      i can get slovak, maybe german citizenship based on descent (i’m in the process of getting the stuff i need from the slovak government to apply for citizenship but they really take their sweet time) and i’m mostly a software guy so it’d probably make the most sense to move to one of those, however the netherlands probably holds way better opportunities for me

      for most people getting into another country (especially europe) is out of the question though, you either have to have extremely marketable work experience (like 3-5 years as an engineer or developer) or you have to happen to qualify for citizenship by descent and have the birth/marriage/death/citizenship/residence documents for it (e.g. anyone who had italian citizenship since 1860, anyone who lived in an area controlled by hungary ever since hungary existed, anyone who was polish 1920 or later, anyone who was czechoslovak or german for the past century, an irish grandfather)

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        Yea citizenship would be a rough go in some places. Hopefully my work experience at least gets me in and see how it goes from there.

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    LOL. Total land slide by just 15% of the votes …where the heck was the rest of the population at? PTA meetings?

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    DeSantis is a much worse choice than trump. I would take trump over him any day of the week.

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      Desantis has the veneer of sanity, and actually has a clue regarding how to make things worse. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Trump just flails about and expects underlings to figure it out.

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        My only hope is that people as morally insane as Trump are rare, and there may be a correlation between his sociopathic traits, and how seemingly incompetent he is.

        What this hopefully means in practice is that even though this time around he will surround himself with yes-men over which he will have more control, few of them will be precisely like Trump and so not immune to actual concern for the future, and to Trump’s surprise will not all follow his insane ideas without question, as Trump clearly wants everyone to do. He can’t rule on his own. He does need some people, and people needing people requires at least a semblance of regard for others.

        In this same way, even his stacked Supreme Court I think will still be likely to put America itself ahead of Trump and a victory that would make a mockery of their own institution, the constitution, and just general common sense.

        It’s only a shred of hope, but one which might enable civil society to survive another Trump presidency, and if we’re really lucky, avoid it.

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      I know nothing of DeSantis outside he’s running. Can you or someone share a tl;dr. It’s hard for me to imagine someone worse than Trump. But then again, never thought we’d have someone worse than George W…

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        Desantis is basically a competent Trump. They both have terrible ideas but Desantis would be able to pull it off because he already has in ruining Florida.

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    Makes it easier to decide at the actual election. The "RINO"s might be swayed to not vote for drumpf when they might have for someone else.

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    Honestly, picking Trump again is a good thing for the rest of us. We know he can lose and because of the last presidential election and his base is just getting smaller.

    It’s not like any Republican is a good candidate. All of them think abortion is a crime and will appoint shit supreme court justices. So give me the one I know loses because they lost before.

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      None of the other candidates had a chance at winning. That is not the same as Trump having a chance at losing.

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          As long as everyone who voted before votes again it’s just the same result because neither candidate is running on anything new.

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      Except Bidens base is also getting smaller. The whole funding a genocide thing isn’t exactly winning him any supporters.

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        I’m judging bases on data about ages and death. You’re judging bases on feelings from social media.

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        He’s not funding a “genocide thing”. The US has subsidized Israel for decades. Not yanking all of our support because they responded to a terrorist attack on their civilian population is not the same as “funding a genocide thing”.

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          To clear up my initial comment.

          …the whole “funding a genocide” thing…

          Also yes, imprisoning a civilian population in a location and then bombing that location is genocide. They are clearly and deliberately exterminating civilians. The fact that we didn’t remove all support the instant they started doing that is appalling.

          Also before you even start with the whole “hamas is using the cavilians as human shields.” Yes, they are. But that doesn’t mean Israels solution of “kill them all and let god sort them out” is remotely acceptable.

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            But that doesn’t mean Israels solution of “kill them all and let god sort them out” is remotely acceptable.

            I completely agree with you there. The whole situation is fucked up, and neither side is making any effort to take the high road. I get that the hamas doesn’t have that luxury, being underdog rebels and all, but it’s not like their goals are benevolent either. One of their stated goals is the complete destruction of Israel, and the Jews. Israel, being the well armed and well funded nation, should be taking steps to respond in an ethical manner, but they’re sinking to the goals of their enemies. Or maybe those were always their goals anyways, and the hamas attack gave them an excuse. I don’t pretend to be an expert on Israel Hamas relations. I just don’t think that Biden can be judged too harshly for not immediately yanking decades of history with Israel. For one, if the US stops supporting Israel, Israel will likely cease to exist shortly afterwards. Anyways, I’m going way off the original topic, so I apologize for that. The overall point I’m trying to make is that I agree with you, but acknowledge the complexity of the situation.

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              One of their stated goals is the complete destruction of […] the Jews.

              False under their 2017 Hamas charter:

              “16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.”

              And can you blame them for conflating zionists with jews, when the ethnostate that has been slaughtering and oppressing the Palestinian people has been trying to do precisely that for the past 70+ years, and is backed by the world superpower as they try to do so?

              Hamas’s tactics aren’t much different from the Viet Cong’s; attacking villages, taking hostages, and using tunnels and guerilla warfare. These are simply the most effective methods of driving out an occupying entity, and wouldn’t be necessary if the colony wasn’t there in the first place.

              They have also done a far better job at avoiding killing children than Israel. The final death toll from the Oct 7 attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli “civilians” (mostly unarmed IDF conscripts), 373 armed IDF members, 71 foreigners and 36 children. While Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians, 2/3 of whom are women and children.

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                Okay, so they want to destroy Israel, and Zionists, which they conflate with the Jewish people. It’s kind of splitting hairs. No? If their only issue was opposition to Israeli occupation, then it would be a lot easier to sympathize with them, but they are a Muslim extremist organization that wants the destruction of Israel.

                Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel.

                That comes from this website , but can be found just about anywhere. Even your own document lists this opposition:

                The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah

                To be clear, I think the human rights violations perpetrated in Gaza are atrocious. The bombing of civilians and civilian targets is awful. But Hamas isn’t some benevolent organization that is taking a beating through no fault of their own, and they would perpetrate the same or worse against Israel if they had the power to do so.

                It’s surprising to me that there’s so much pandering to Hamas on this website, from a group of people who are generally vehemently opposed to religion, and especially religious extremism. Hamas are religious extremists, with a violent perspective towards outsiders, and an abusive relationship with women. Ultimately what I’m saying is that what Israel is doing is wrong. Full-stop. Also, the goals of Hamas are wrong. Full-stop. That said, Biden’s involvement is circumstantial, since he inherited a government with a history of aid to Israel, and has merely not revoked it. I support Bernie’s proposition yesterday, to require the US Secretary of State to report on Israel’s humanitarian violations or withhold their aid. Unfortunately the Senate voted overwhelmingly against that measure, 71-11, if my memory serves correctly.

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                  Zionists, which they conflate with the Jewish people. It’s kind of splitting hairs. No?

                  First, see my previous comment regarding the current Hamas charter. And second, you do realize saying that separating Jewish people from zionists is like “splitting hairs” is anti-semetic right? And that’s literally what the israeli government wants people to do.

                  organization that wants the destruction of Israel.

                  Of course. “Israel” itself is a western colony in Palestine, and colonies have no right to exist. Its formation used common british colonization tactics [III], with companies literally named “Colonization Commission”, “Jewish Colonial Trust” and the like.

                  Theodor Herzl, founder of the colonial ideology he called “zionism”, was himself also just a racist colonizer by his own admission, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:

                  “We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]

                  That’s exactly what’s happening right now, all for US and European capitalist interests in the region, no matter how many people die in the process.

                  Zionist leaders fully acknowledged that Palestinian demographics were a core issue to the Zionist project, that the Palestinian population had to be removed at any cost, which is exactly what Israel did. What lead to the Palestinians being defenseless in this situation? Colonial Britain abetted the formation of heavily armed Zionist militias with soldiers numbering in the tens of thousands. The arms of Britain’s colonial military presence were inherited by the Zionist forces that it supported. All this while Britain summarily excecuted any Palestinian found in possession of a firearm.

                  This is not to mention the enthusiastic support of european antisemites for the Zionist project, or its strict early opposition by antifascist jews.

                  The idea that Israel has any right to exist on Palestinian land is a lie that has been so heavily proliferated, it has to be debunked when it should be paid no consideration at all.

                  From the PFLP’s 1969 Strategy For the Liberation of Palestine (very good read):

                  The Palestinian liberation movement is not a racial movement with aggressive intentions against the Jews. It is not directed against the Jews. Its object is to destroy the state of Israel as a military, political and economic establishment that rests on aggression, expansion and organic connection with imperialist interests in our homeland. It is against Zionism as an aggressive racial movement connected with imperialism, which has exploited the sufferings of the Jews as a stepping stone for the promotion of its interests and the interests of imperialism in this part of the world that possesses rich resources (the middle east and its oil) and provides a bridgehead into the countries of Africa and Asia.

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                  It’s surprising to me that there’s so much pandering to Hamas on this website, from a group of people who are generally vehemently opposed to religion, and especially religious extremism.

                  Because this is a lefty platform. We don’t like religions, but we’re not about to tell people that have been oppressed and killed for generations to not use it as an organizing and political tool to fight against colonialism and imperialism.

                  The Iranian Islamic revolution of 1979 overthrowing the US-backed monarchy was also deeply religious, and resulted in a drastically improved quality of life for everyone in the nation. Total literacy in Iran has also from 47% to 93% and female literacy has gone from 37% to 87%.

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              Do you even know what that means?

              Supports a fascist, far-right regime built upon an ideology rooted in white supremacy, that has been engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing for the past 70 plus years

              It seems unlikely you have the capacity to see anything outside your heavily indoctrinated zionist viewpoint.

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    Good thing the DNC is picking a totally reasonable and non controversial candidate for the Democrats. Definitely not a straight up genocide supporter.

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        Yes. we are the point that both parties are Nazis’s.

        Following this course of sliding right into Nazism we’ll have Adolf Hitler running for the Republicans and a Trump figure running for the Democrats. And then you’re all going to vote for the Trump guy because he’s not the Hitler guy.

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      Despite genocide being bad, Biden supporting it doesn’t directly affect Americans. It’s still more of a self-own for the Republicans.

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        Biden did more to destroy America’s global reputation than even the moronic orange man.

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    Common China W. Americans literally dying as a nation day by day while China becomes the guardian of the world. Century of humiliation.

    Guess the capitalism didn’t pay off?

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    Honestly this is just liberal strongman politics.

    Please learn to identify and complain about the things that are actually increasing fascism and not just be like “bad people might make the country bad if they’re in charge” Trump is a symptom not the disease.

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        As empires collapse imperial violence turns inward. For a more in depth analysis I would read anticolonial theory or Marxist analysis of Nazi germany, like “economy and class structure of german fascism”

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          Hmmmm

          It’s possible to be more than one thing driving fascism.

          In the absence of a general worker uprising to bring about revolution (this isn’t going to happen before the election) stopping Trump is a fine alternative to stem fascism.

          We know that fascists need a charismatic leader with unquestionable authority (Trump) may as well cut that head off the snake now.

          Does that stop capitalist interests? No, their money and power is still there but it at least won’t be manifesting through a dictator.

          Capitalist interests have operated just fine without a dictator.

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            I mean we don’t have a dictator and we’re involved in killing tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians over the course of a month. Even if Trump is never elected again we keep sliding into fascism, and liberalism doesn’t really have a response to that besides to join in.

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    This is just American voters in general every single election. Vote red. Vote blue. Doesn’t matter. It just keeps getting worse.

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      What a hyperbole. This two party thing has only been going on for 150 years. If Biden wins next time everything is going to be fixed trust.