• Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
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    Do you know what gametes I produce, if any? Do you need to know what gametes I might produce in order to conduct this conversation?

    I think I’m managing to convey my meaning to you, and receiving your meaning in return, without knowledge of what’s happening in your abdomen/pelvis.

    Whatever concern you have about the terms “sex”, “binary”, and “immutable”, it isn’t scientific.

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      It doesn’t matter what I think of you. The reality is that you produce one of two gamete sizes, and that determines your biological sex. This is binary and immutable. If you can’t agree with scientific consensus that’s fine, just be honest.

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        It doesn’t matter what I think of you.

        Exactly. Now you’re getting it.

        Until you are trying to produce offspring with them, or providing them with medical treatment, you have precisely zero interest in the sex of another person, let alone a scientific interest.

        The only interests you have in anyone else is social, and the boundaries of social interaction do not extend to gamete production.

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          It doesn’t matter what I think of you, a person on the internet. It takes an immense amount of privilege to claim that sex doesn’t matter in the real world.

          Don’t speak over women.

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            It takes an immense amount of privilege to claim that sex doesn’t matter in the real world.

            Where did I make such a claim?

            My claim was that the specific gametes an individual may or may not produce is not socially relevant. Whether a person is socially a “man” or a “woman” is not a question of what gamete (if any) they produce. The offense you are taking above is to your own position.

            Science has no interest in this social issue. Science’s concern is only with regard to the medical needs of the individual. Unless you are trying to procreate with them, or provide them with medical treatment, you have precisely zero interest the nature of their gametes.

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              Until you are trying to produce offspring with them, or providing them with medical treatment, you have precisely zero interest in the sex of another person, let alone a scientific interest.

              https://reduxx.info/canada-trans-identified-male-charged-after-allegedly-sexually-assaulting-multiple-women-while-staying-at-a-womens-shelter/

              Women deserve their own spaces, free of men. Women want their own spaces.

              Men that feel like women are still men and can have their own spaces, but don’t get women’s spaces

              My claim was that the specific gametes an individual may or may not produce is not socially relevant

              You’re denying reality. That man didn’t care how the people he assaulted identified as. Men don’t care if the women they rape identify as men.

              Stop speaking over women.

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                The reality is that you produce one of two gamete sizes, and that determines your biological sex.

                You defined “sex” on the basis of “gamete production”. So, my comment should be read as:

                Until you are trying to produce offspring with them, or providing them with medical treatment, you have precisely zero interest in the sex gamete production of another person, let alone a scientific interest.

                Socially, the presence of a beard is a far more relevant characteristic than the specific gamete an individual produces. Or the timbre of someone’s voice. When a 6’2", 250lb person with a heavy beard and a deep, booming voice, claims to be a man and walks into the women’s restroom, the fact that they actually produce the larger, “egg” gamete isn’t particularly relevant.

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                  I didn’t define sex that way, the entire field of biology did. That’s literally the biological definition. You’re pushing unscientific nonsense if you claim otherwise