• Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Turns out that in 1998, SFMTA had the latest cutting edge technology when they installed their automatic train control system.

    "We were the first agency in the U.S. to adopt this particular technology but it was from an era that computers didn’t have a hard drive

    Aaaand that’s when I stopped reading. Please, we had hard-drives in average office systems for more than a decade at that point.

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      8 months ago

      Yeah they’re over a decade off from computers that didn’t come equipped with one by default.

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      8 months ago

      Maybe they meant home computers, and that’s all most of their audience will picture in their heads, anyway. But yeah, not a very good computer historian.

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        In 1990 I bought my first (very used PC) which had a 20MB hard drive in it. I In 1996 I upgraded my home computer to the largest consumer hard drive available 1.6GB.

        For reference, a floppy disk pictured hold 1.44MB.

        We had hard drives in home computers there too.

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      First several generations of hard drives really were awful and broke if you stared at them at them wrong. Floppies were more reliable, cheaper, and easy to get.

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        I’m not sure what time you talk about, but it must be before 5,25" 20MB MFM drives and 30 MB RLL. Which were way more reliable than floppy disks and diskettes. These drives were available in the mid 80’s.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/x98scz/the_original_20mb_mfm_hdd_died_in_my_286_recently/

        Maybe you are mistaking a few bad blocks that were allocated out in the allocation table, for being unreliable?

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          8 months ago

          HDDs before, say, 1986, were junk. Those that came after will still very expensive until the late 90s, when prices started to drop.

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            8 months ago

            Incidentally 1986 was the year I got my first hard-drive. ;)

            And yes they were absolutely expensive in the mid 80’s. The first 20MB MFM i bought was almost $1000 USD. This was in Europe, prices were probably lower in USA.
            But I worked as manager for a computer shop, and the 4 years I worked in that, we only had 1 defect under warranty.

            I remember it clearly, because it was a woman coming in with her computer saying her hard-drive was defect, most people being somewhat ignorant of computers, often called the whole computer hard-drive, and since defects were rare, I obviously thought she meant the computer. But no she actually knew what she was talking about, and she was the unlucky one to get the only defect hard-drive we ever delivered! OK my memory may not be perfect, there may have been others, but it certainly wasn’t considered a problem in general.

            But I remember I heard about defects, very old Seagate drives could get stuck, if that happened, I was told you could tap them against the table flat down, and that would often resolve the issue!!!

            Apart from that, I was much more confident with drives back then, because you could actually hear if they were going bad, as the drive would make a suspicious sound in its attempt to calibrate and reread, with a surface scan you could see if they were actually going bad, or it was just some unusual file operation. Generally in time to switch to another drive before actually losing any files. There may be some truth to drives being more unreliable back then, but they were (so to speak) more unreliable in a more reliable way.

            Today this functionality is hidden in the SMART system, which I find unreliable. Drives reallocate bad blocks themselves keeping the user ignorant, until suddenly they are completely dead.

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              8 months ago

              I agree with it being nice to be able to hear how they were doing. But it’s nice now to manage a thousand computers.

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    8 months ago

    Ah yes, the stone age of 1998, “an era when computers didn’t have a hard drive”.🤦🤦🤦🤦

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    8 months ago

    Thinking about cost effective solutions, like running it in an emulator on modern hardware with disk images instead of floppies. They’ve probably gone and spent millions on replacing working sensors and writing all new software though.

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      8 months ago

      Thin computing and VMs are still expensive migration, especially something this proprietary I’d imagine