Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]

It’s pretty annoying to read the mailing list, I agree. There’s a very small hyperlink that says “next” that’s right below the message body. If you click that, you can read the next message in the chain. Keep doing that until you get to the end, and yeah, it looks like this was resolved and wasn’t actually malicious.

Hmm, the Wikipedia article about this ship is odd. Check out this paragraph: “The Houthis claimed that the vessel was American-owned, however a spokesman for the ship’s owners rejected the claim, saying it had no relation with American entities.[6] The vessel’s owners, the company True Confidence Shipping, is registered in Liberia, and she is operated by the Greece-based organization Third January Maritime. Both firms confirmed that they were unrelated to the United States. However, until 24 February 2024 the vessel was connected to the Los Angeles-based Oaktree Capital Management.[6][18]”

So, we have True Confidence Shipping being the owners of a single ship, the MV True Confidence. (I looked up True Confidence Shipping, they really do only own the one ship.) I don’t know whether it’s common in maritime shipping to have only one ship per shipping company, but it seems a little odd to me.

Furthermore, until February 24, 2024, the vessel had ties to an american firm, Oaktree Capital Management. I think this is true, as I’ve seen this claim in quite a few articles about the incident.

So let’s think about the timing here: February 24, the ship changed ownership. 11 days later, on March 6, it was attacked by Ansar Allah, who claims they attacked it because it’s an american ship. It seems to me we have two options: first, the ship really did change hands in those 11 days between February 24 and March 6, and Ansar Allah had outdated information, leading to a mistaken attack. This is possible. The second option is that the so-called ownership change was really just adding a shell company and Ansar Allah saw right through that and attacked anyway. Knowing what I know about capital and american firms, this option seems very plausible to me, but without a lot more time researching, and some real, actual knowledge about maritime shipping, I have no way of knowing.

So yeah, take your pick: Ansar Allah made an honest (and easy-to-make) mistake or they saw through an attempt to sneak an american vessel by them using a shell company. Or, I guess, you could choose to believe that it’s neither of these options and Ansar Allah are just “Yemeni maniacs” trying to cause trouble because “they hate us for our freedom” or some such nonsense. You’re welcome to believe that too.

I’ve seen your claim before, but I’ve never seen any evidence for it.

Would you mind finding for me the name of a ship attacked by Ansar Allah that had no ties to Israel?

I feel I should point out: Ansar Allah (the people you refer to as “Yemeni maniacs”) don’t attack every ship that passes by. They are quite selective, only attacking ships with ties to Israel. The reason Ansar Allah are doing this is to try to stop the genocide in Gaza, and from where I’m standing, they look like heroes for it. If you want British ships to stop being shot at by Ansar Allah, the answer is for British companies to stop trading with Israel. Which is the morally correct position to take as well, that no one should be trading with Israel until the genocide stops.

Do you really, truly, in your heart-of-hearts believe that Russia is a military danger to the UK?

Can I ask who you think the UK needs to defend itself from?

I’m American, and our politicians talk constantly about needing to defend ourselves, but I find that they actually usually mean we need to be aggressive and pick fights the world over. As a result of this, I don’t trust my government when they say we need to defend ourselves.

But I recognize the US is actually not the same as the UK, so that’s why I’m asking you: is there a credible threat to the UK that is worth making plans against, including a larger and more well-equipped military? And if so, who from?

You mean blinx? They deleted their own account, of their own accord.

There’s a TON of media that corroborates the information

Post one (1) thing then. Literally a single thing. You’ve said some version of “of course I have sources for my beliefs” in quite a few comments, but every time anyone asks you to post just one, a single source, you refuse, saying something like “you wouldn’t believe me anyway”. Do you see how that’s not convincing? Do you understand how that makes us think you actually haven’t really thought through your beliefs and have actually just inherited them from the propaganda environment you exist in?

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Yup, you got dog-piled, which really doesn’t feel good.

From where I’m sitting though, you might be able to learn a little something from this situation. What I would take away from this experience, if I were you, is something like “I should try to avoid arguments on the internet about topics I don’t know much about”. It’s a tricky lesson to learn, and one I have to keep learning, but I think it’s valuable. If you don’t know much about a topic, sit back and listen and until you know more about it. Don’t come into a space guns blazing and then be forced to backtrack just about everything you’ve said due to it becoming obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about.

It’s hard, this world tries to convince us we have to have “a take” about everything. But we don’t. We can keep space in our minds to listen to people who know more than us, we can hold a claim “at arm’s length” until we have the time and knowledge to properly evaluate it.

Good luck, please do consider the things people have tried to tell you here today. Some great information has been shared for you to read and spend time digesting, and I for one hope you take the opportunity to do so.

Oh, not for me. I almost never actually watch videos that get posted, and I haven’t watched this one.

I was simply pointing out that the lovely piece of writing RedWizard posted is worth reading, and that you calling it “low-effort copypasta” is ridiculous. I then, right at the end of my comment, speculated as to a specific reason why you might want to dismiss RedWizard’s piece as “low-effort copypasta”.

videos like this

What video? Do you have me mixed up with someone else in this thread?

Is it low-effort? It sure looks high-effort to me. There are a ton of sources (some of them I hadn’t read before), it’s written really well, and organized quite nicely. Sure, it’s clearly copy-pasted, RedWizard didn’t write it fresh for this post, but like, so? If it’s good info written and sourced well, why not post it every time the question comes up? Someone new will see it every time, and they might dig into the sources and become more knowledgeable because of how well-organized and well-sourced this copy-pasted super informational post is.

What would you have had RedWizard post instead? A less well-organized piece that he wrote specifically for this comment thread? Something off-the-cuff and not so informative? Or maybe you wanted him to just post nothing. Perhaps you just expected everyone here to simply agree with you about the situation in Xinjiang, without doing any research of our own. Is that it? You wanted to come in here and parrot something you’ve heard other people say, not expecting any pushback. But then you got presented with contradictory evidence, so you called it low-effort to allow yourself to ignore it?

Oh, you’re right, I should have said “should not be allowed to” or “in a better world would not be allowed to”. Because yeah, covering up serious health issues impacting politicians happens fucking constantly, so clearly it’s allowed

No, I don’t believe that the sitting president of the US, who is currently running to keep that office, is allowed to keep secret a major health issue that absolutely affects his ability to be president.

Joe Biden isn’t just, like, some guy. He was, up until January, one of the most important public figures in the world. No, his health concerns should not be private, not if they affect his ability to do his duty.

I’m going to try to be respectful and reasonable here. If I fail at that, I’m truly sorry, I’m really trying.

I think you and I want different things from the fediverse. I like that my instance (Hexbear) is widely defederated. It’s a lovely little refuge from the reactionary political opinions I can’t help but hear in my day to day life living in America.

I also can’t agree with you that political disagreements aren’t reason for defederation. To go for an extreme example first, being an avowed neo-nazi is a political choice, and I’d kick an avowed neo-nazi out of any space I had the power to kick them out of.

For other examples, we can look at things that have already happened in the fediverse, such as feddit .uk deciding that posting transphobia is actually fine and dandy, because the laws in the UK are such that transphobic speech is very much allowed, or we can look at the recent kerfuffle surrounding feddit .org, wherein feddit .org decided that due to laws in Germany, criticism of Israel can’t be as full-throated as it really should be. These examples are both cases where local politics affect how things are moderated, or, at least, local politics are being used as an excuse for moderation decisions. And I think these moderation decisions (allowing transphobia in the first case, censoring criticism of Israel in the second) are worth defederating over. If transphobia doesn’t get banned and removed on sight, then how can trans people feel safe and included in a space? And similarly, if Israel’s horrific genocide is downplayed in a space, that space becomes less friendly for Palestinians and other Arab and Muslim people.

I don’t need or want political plurality in this online space, I want a brief refuge from the terrible politics surrounding me. This isn’t me sticking my head in the sand to ignore the awful shit happening around me, I see all that, I talk to people who believe in the American status quo because believe it or not, most Americans aren’t communists. I love that here on this corner of Lemmy I can be openly communist and talk to other open communists about all kinds of things. It’s really nice, actually, and that would be lost if we were federated with the anti-communist shitholes like .world. Not to mention the transphobia. Holy shit, every time I accidentally end up outside my lovely little Lemmy bubble it’s just transphobia as far as the eye can see. So I’m glad we at Hexbear are widely defederated, I really don’t need to see the liberal nonsense and transphobia that are so inescapable in my real life.

Oh, you really should! I mean, I know you know, but like, it’s really good! Very good send-off to the series, quite funny, good stuff from beginning to end!