Within a single human lifespan. And it keeps rising a lot more.
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That’s a solution for decarbonization of future power generation for humanity, but it doesnt seem to remove the pollution that is changing the climate, so the climate isn’t going to reverse itself back to safe stable starting conditions.
So it’s not a solution. Do you see why not?
At 10° it’s the new equilibrium. Not “for a while”. Not “until feedback systems kick in”. After the feedback systems stop the increase it will be 10° hotter and stay there for tens of thousands of years.
https://academic.oup.com/oocc/article/3/1/kgad008/7335889?login=false
According to this paper, the paleorecord for our current atmosphere is 10° of warming. So over some period of time, in the future we will reach 10° unless the atmosphere changes before that point. We will reach an equilibrium at 10° hotter than preindustrial. That’s based on today’s existing CO2.
Eventually. There is a very slow lag time. The lag has confused a lot of the science also (because it makes change hard to measure and there are confounding factors). The response time to reach the full amount of temperature change is around one century!
Luckily, we can avoid the warming if we just remove the CO2 before the temperature rises.
Unluckily, we don’t have the technology nor energy sources to remove the CO2.
Or, second solution space: geoengineering / blocking sunlight / other energy interventions that happen at a global scale.
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Which area on your tires are the leaks happening? Sidewall? Tread? Bead?
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fake_meows@lemm.eeto Collapse@lemm.ee•Lessons learned from how Cuba survived peak oil | Peak Everything, Overshoot, & CollapseEnglish5·8 days agoWhen I used to live in Canada, I had a client who was a Cuban defector. He had been studying at architecture school in Moscow Russia and when his plane landed in Canada for refueling he jumped out and claimed asylum. I met him when he had been in Canada over 25 years.
He told me that Cuba was so poor, that as an architect everything he came up with was beyond the budget. So for example, he would design a bridge. It would use too many materials and so there would be revision after revision until the final bridge was the least complicated slab of concrete. He left because it was just such a disappointment and a compromised life where a human was unable to rise to their full ability.
A few days later, I had another client who happened to be a Canadian architect. She had been working at these international firms and had built stuff all over the world. She told me that building was easy everywhere but Canada. In Canada there would be zoning, architectural controls, historical preservation, environmental review and on and on. Every building was going through multiple redesigns and the process was so slow that it often bankrupted projects or wasted tons of money. The “budget” for a project would be vaporized in all these intangible delays, repeating rounds of re-designs, lengthy approvals and so on, and every time it made the project cost more and deliver less. She was intensely frustrated that you couldn’t just deliver the best thing you could design.
The Cuban architect in Canada worked in woodworking making kitchen cabinets. He didn’t do any architecture.
fake_meows@lemm.eeto Trump Watch@lemm.ee•Trump is furious that his tariffs are doing exactly what economists said they'd doEnglish1·14 days agoInteresting article, but it doesn’t say they are increasing the GDP / ordering more for the year.
It said they “stocked up” and pulled orders forward a few months AND STOPPED.
" But now that the tariffs are here, and the stocks have been piled, masses of businesses are doing something else. They’re holding their breath.
“So we are beginning to see ships leaving China, you know, half empty or more,” Mathews said."
This is not a growth in the economy / massive extra investment. They are not doubling their orders for the year, they are just bringing in the same amount of products they were going to order, but they ordered slightly early.
They actually give the math in the article: last month was up 8%, this month down 50%.
fake_meows@lemm.eeto Trump Watch@lemm.ee•Trump is furious that his tariffs are doing exactly what economists said they'd doEnglish1·17 days agoYou’re arguing that business will order more supplies, inventory, services, goods this year than their business fundamentals would be able to use to “stockpile” items and avoid a tariff.
Like they won’t shift their orders forward in time, they will double their orders.
Make the case. How would that work?
fake_meows@lemm.eeto Trump Watch@lemm.ee•Trump is furious that his tariffs are doing exactly what economists said they'd doEnglish1·17 days agoIf I understand the numbers correctly, autos and auto parts made outside north america will get a 25% tariff. Presumably this is 25% of the wholesale costs as listed on the invoice when they come over the border.
I am not sure what the markup is on cars, but let’s ignore this for now and just assume that we are paying a tariff on 25% of the MSRP that the consumer pays.
So 25% of 25% would be the final tariff extra charge, which is 6.25% of the total pricetag of the car.
For a rental agency, my guess is that a lot of the car fleet they run, they don’t buy for outright cash but they more than likely finance the vehicles, rent them for a while and then sell them on for their residual value and pay off the loans.
I’m not sure that most car rental agencies would consider the 6.25% enough of a price jump to go out and double their car fleet purchase UNLESS they think they have a good shot at renting those vehicles.
Because of the way that vehicles depreciate, having aging vehicles that are costing you insurance, storage, cleaning, capital depreciation etc is a huge liability.
Also, consider that they need to resell these cars in a year or two. The resale market has to be able to absorb the vehicles so that the car company is able to liquidate and reduce their liabilities.
Putting this in simple terms, a car company shopping ahead of the tariffs would be getting 20 cars today for the price of 19 tomorrow.
I suspect the fundamental rental business will be the largest factor. Sure companies may pull orders forward a few months, but in this example I doubt they will buy an entire double annual allotment of vehicles… There is not enough “savings” there to make borrowing that much money (and paying interest) make any sense. They are going to optimize around having the vehicles they do run being fully rented as much of the time as possible
And so at the end of the year, you’ll take your GDP calculator and figure out what the economy did.
Perhaps all the orders that would have happened in July were paid in March, but it could work out to be the same size economy.
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fake_meows@lemm.eeto Trump Watch@lemm.ee•Trump is furious that his tariffs are doing exactly what economists said they'd doEnglish1·19 days agoYes, of course prices will go up. GDP (as a specific measure) takes the imported materials and removes them from GDP.
Example: let’s say you have a chocolate factory in Poland. When you’re calculating the Polish GDP, you can’t count sugar and cocoa that you import as ingredients. You can only count the things that Poles add domestically, so labor and other value you create inside your own country.
In this example, you would take the price of the chocolate bar and subtract the costs of the imports.
Now let’s say sugar and cocoa went up in cost. You have to charge more for the chocolate bar but you also subtract more for the imports in the GDP calculation. GDP could stay the exact same. Also, if the price goes up, maybe people will buy less chocolate, so GDP might even fall.
fake_meows@lemm.eeto Trump Watch@lemm.ee•Trump is furious that his tariffs are doing exactly what economists said they'd doEnglish3·19 days agoGDP = C + I + G + ((X − M))
M = Imports. Note the negative sign.
The GDP is specifically designed to not count any imports in any estimated domestic production.
fake_meows@lemm.eeto Trump Watch@lemm.ee•Trump is furious that his tariffs are doing exactly what economists said they'd doEnglish5·20 days agoThere was supposed to be this Biden era analysis that showed that the tariffs were not broadly inflationary, and Biden kept a lot of the tariffs in place. One point that tariff proponents took from this was that tariffs COULDN’T be inflationary and wouldn’t drive up consumer prices.
Meanwhile, what happened was that many Chinese companies shifted parts of their production to non tariff countries and sidestepped the tariff costs. (Hence, prices were kept low, no taroffs due to that major loophole.)
Then, to keep that from happening again, Trump put the China tariff on every nation at once. No more loophole. But amazingly, they maintained a near religious belief that prices could be the same.
If you think in terms of complex systems, the first round of tariffs had all these self organizing details that defused the impact.
Round two is playing out like the administration can’t even see around the corner in simple causality cause-and-effect chains. They will never work out how to control the global trade using one country’s import tax program. Its insanity.
fake_meows@lemm.eeto Trump Watch@lemm.ee•Trump is furious that his tariffs are doing exactly what economists said they'd doEnglish1·20 days agoGDP, the D means Domestic. Imports are not counted and any stuff you’re importing that becomes a component of some domestic product is eventually backed out in the accounting.
So no, pumping imports shouldn’t increase GDP one iota. Imports count AGAINST the GDP.
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fake_meows@lemm.eeOPto Collapse@lemm.ee•Sea-Level Rise Report Cards Dashboard (USA)English3·28 days agohttps://scholarworks.wm.edu/reports/1111/
" vertical land movement (VLM). VLM here varies over relatively short time scales amid changing patterns of subsurface water and hydrocarbons extraction.RSL rise rates of 5 mm/year or more aided by weak acceleration in Louisiana and Texas project a total RSL rise of between 0.4 and 0.5 meters above 1992 MSL by the year 2050; other Gulf and East Coast locations will experience equal or greater rise if upward trends in acceleration continue "
https://news.wm.edu/2025/05/06/2024-sea-level-report-cards-map-futures-of-u-s-coastal-communities/
The conversation in the media has been training people to look at the wrong aspect of the problem.
So basically you have the flows and the sinks.
The flow here would be the rate at which more CO2 pollution is added.
The sink is the total amount of CO2 that’s already in the atmosphere.
Everyone keeps talking about allowing more carbon, slowing more carbon or somehow changing the growth of additional carbon.
Future carbon isn’t what’s changing the climate right now. There is a huge time lag of around 15 years between when you dump CO2 into the atmosphere and when it starts actually moving global temperatures.
Current day global temperature doesn’t actually reflect anything with the rate of pollution. What it is showing us is the total amount of carbon in the sink from 15 years ago.
If you stopped all new carbon today you’re already on a ride to 10° that started way in the past. And it wouldn’t stop this from happening. The slowing of the rate isn’t even within the solution space. At all.
Anyhow, going beyond the facts of what is going on, I think there are two real reasons why people talk about the flows even though these are irrelevant. And it’s two things, one thing is that is assumes that humans are not going to survive if we stop polluting, so adding more pollution is a baked in assumption. And two, we have NO ANSWER for how we can possibly clean the sink and put the entire global atmosphere back to the start. So if you start looking at the REAL problem you start having emotional responsibility and no possibility of solving it, and that makes people unhappy. It’s implicatory denial.