go $fsck yourself

Thanks! Would you also care to share the model?

Which phone is that? I’ve seen a ton of these, but they are all for iPhones. I have a Pixel 8 pro, but that’s apparently not popular enough.

Thanks for the info from your experience

Probably at least one

You think the average person understands email?

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Since you’re going to childishly talk about me and infer something that is entirely false, I’m going to step in here.

First, you claim it’s “a convenient shorthand”, except “middleman” is far shorter than “man-in-the-middle”. So that argument is entirely false.

Next, “nothing that I wrote misrepresents the situation”? You literally linked the Wikipedia article for “Man in the middle attack”, but conveniently left out the word “attack” both when referring to it and in the link itself which redirected to the actual Wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-in-the-middle_attack.

You are clearly intentionally misrepresenting the subject in order to frame things to suit your narrative. That’s not just a claim out of nowhere, I provided evidence to support this.

And get out of here with your pathetic “like most of my colleagues” pretentious attitude.

omg that bar that kicked me out for being a belligerent asshole has stopped being a bar and now they’ve become the police. They have too much power!

Oookay. I wasn’t actually claiming you were talking out of your ass. I was explaining that without backing up your claims with information, then that would be the conclusion.

Since you are refusing to do so, and since you seemed to identify with that, along with clearly conflating the two terms to suit your narrative. I can now say it’s safe to assume that you are talking out of your ass. Especially considering the first part of your response reeks of arrogance.

You’re conflating MitM, which is specifically defined as an attack, with the concept of a middleman. You acknowledge that it’s not an attack, even:

It just means it’s not a man-in-the-middle attack.

The other things you’re describing are also framed specifically in a way that makes Cloudflare seem like some sort of bad actor out of the norm.

You say users have no choice in using Cloudflare. Yeah, the party that runs the service/website/whatever decides what services they use to serve their content. Nothing special there. If you are against Amazon then users have no choice but to use them when the other side chooses to use their services, or any other service provider which includes the ones you like. Similarly, users would have to resolve DNS records to determine what services they are connecting to.

You also don’t have to use Cloudflare’s proxy. You can just use them for DNS record management. You can use different SSL settings that allow an unencrypted connection between Cloudflare and the server, or you can enforce strict SSL policies where it is encrypted end-to-end.

You’re going to have to prove any of your claims, or else I am just going to assume you’re talking out of your ass. Particularly because you’re clearly misunderstanding what a MitM is, or you’re intentionally misusing it.

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Did you even look at the article or did you see “Cloud flare” in the title and immediately grabbed your pitchfork?

The article is outlining a situation where Cloudflare is advocating to maintain privacy.

It bugs me when people say Cloudflare is a MitM, because that is a disingenuous representation the situation. Mainly that a MitM is done without either party’s knowledge or consent. It even describes that in the very first sentence of the wiki page you linked. A better description would be a “middleman”, but that’s not scary so people don’t call it that. It’s just a proxy and you opt into it.

If you are signing up for Cloudflare to use their proxy services then you are opting into having a middleman, which then means it cannot be a MitM because both sides of the connection are aware of this layer. They are not trying to hide the fact there is a Cloudflare connection layer to either side. If Cloudflare is a MitM then any networking layer for any hosting service would be considered a MitM as well.

The arguments that Cloudflare is ripe for abuse and the scale of their systems are separate arguments that should also be applied to many other providers but that is never mentioned when people bring this up. It just seems like the MitM claim is just a tactic to leverage fear in an attempt to add weight to arguments that should be perfectly valid on their own.

But what if… I were to purchase a USB hub and disguise it as my own making? [chuckles] Delightfully devilish, Seymour.

Is that making your own hub as much as it is designing a case to extend the life of an existing hub?

Today you learned a new aspect of the British English dialect. Congrats!

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I called them out for not following their own community rules:

Please be nice to other members. Anyone not being nice will be banned. Keep it fun, respectful and just be awesome to each other.

and they deleted their account.

FYI - the owner of this site, gamingonlinux, was a mod on the [email protected] community until they were caught abusing their moderator powers. Then they deleted their account and complained on mastodon that it’s stupid design that mod logs are public.

Congrats. You made the argument that popular == good.

WooCommerce also has an extensive extension list, integrations with all the payment providers out there and it’s easy to get help / support be it free or payed

This is WordPress’ biggest selling point, but it is also its biggest downfall. The vast majority of those “extensions” (plugins) are horribly made and are security nightmares, then they often only get you 90% of what you need so they can sell you the last 10% for a subscription fee. How would you know how to determine which ones are good or not? You need to be experienced enough with WordPress.

Yes, it is easy to get support, particularly paid (not “payed” FYI) but again, since WordPress is so popular, it’s prime real-estate for shitty “”“WordPress Developers”“” (not actually developers) to essentially bait people into their scam of pretending they are actually developers and providing work that leaves you worse off.

How do I know all of this? Well I happen to work with WordPress professionally as the lead developer for an agency where I manage literally hundreds of WordPress sites and host all of them myself on servers I manage for them (not shared hosting reselling).

Definitely not Woocommerce. WordPress’s data structure is not properly suited for an e-commerce site, and it’s a resource hog.

Normally, the quality of the image would bug me. But in this case it really adds to the joke.