Identity politics - when it was a good thing - were an idea that you can be anyone you want and nobody has the right to tell you what to be. It can be described as a raw diamond.

Leftists organized it and put it into uniform, but while everybody remembered it is a good thing in its essence, everybody would support that (or fight only the ordered and neutered version, not identity politics in general). Also other leftists, not trying to do that, still wouldn’t understand the implications of that kind of change.

Now the difference simply can’t be ignored.

It’s a flaw of leftist ideologies - classifying everybody into groups with group interests. Reality is very easy to describe this way, a bit like what Russian school history student books are. However, such descriptions are useless. They don’t allow you to synthesize anything. Just to say “that grew there”.

Good methods allow predictions, while this one allows only describing the past.

TLDR identity politics is a thing in itself now

But being a contrarian under the guise as a free thinker then burying your head in the sand is the reason we’re in the mess we’re in.

This sentence doesn’t make any sense. In a discussion all sides are equally contrarian.

When you get downvoted on some of your future posts and wonder why not many reply or interact with you dont get pissed off when others like myself use the data to be informed. You make a lot of generalizations and excuses for something that has been a vital part of the internet for decades.

This also doesn’t make sense ; any person providing a useful answer would read the comment itself and not trust crowd vote.

You get likes for dumb shit. You get dislikes for angry dumb shit. You get a lot of likes for dangerous vile dumb shit.

What you get a lot of dislikes for is nuance and something that could sober the crowd up if they listened. Possibly dumb shit too, but correctly positioned to irritate the comfort of dangerous vile dumb shit.

This “ape behavior” is called having an opinion without needing to state that you have an opinion all the time.

No, opinions can only be expressed in a friendly conversation. Opinions are a systems of thought with all the accompanying context. You can’t possibly express an opinion while fighting someone.

Let the numbers speak for themselves.

I’ve just described what they say.

EDIT: BTW, about instincts - I’ve just turned off scores on Lemmy. You should try that, you’ll feel that you unexpectedly need to have your own opinion, very often - which means that with scores displayed you would not think.

people actually challenged eachothers views (mostly) constructively

No, like I said, it’s an illusion among Redditors.

Upvoting, downvoting,

Both actively harmful due to the way human brains are wired. Putting pressure onto people actually having a spine, and provoking ape behavior from the rest.

Until one day spez and all the reddit mods decided to let their platform eat shit.

It wasn’t one day. Soft censorship in favor of China and Democratic party and what not became a thing much earlier.

There were places that circlejerked, no doubt about it, but what everyone fails to realize is that reddit was a place for pretty much everyone. So if you thought that subreddit was a circlejerk, feel free to join or make a different one. Like open source software getting forked.

They all very circlejerks of some kind. The paradigm works this way.

All these different social medias want us to be trapped in some sort of bubble through the illusion of choice. The short character limit is also what causes these sites to always be inferior to places like reddit and lemmy whether they like it or not. No one has a chance to fully expand on what they actually think or cite sources instead of being blasted immediately after their first post by getting blocked, cancelled, or moderated to oblivion.

Length of text and softness of moderation are good, but do not change the fact that any fool can write a long elaborate smart-looking text, that has nothing to do with honest discussion.

Everything made by sufficiently big orgs works like this.

They care about ability to be do everything by themselves and easily.

They don’t care about sanity of the system for the user, because there are crowds of users, what are they going to do, barter?

And the worst part is where the biggest org of all these, the government, makes requirements that can only be fulfilled by big orgs.

You can’t win playing by the rules your opponent sets. EDIT: Unless they do some sort of Ulysses’ pact, but they won’t.

I always liked reddit better since people actually discussed real things.

People on Reddit do circlejerks about their feeling of “actually discussing real things”, except it’s only a feeling.

It’s a bit like with printed media in societies that saw rapid growth of literacy, people literate in the first generation would trust anything printed as if it were solid fact. And many people still trust anything printed and kinda official as if it were fact and think that being critical of that is backwards and worth irony. It’s really impossible to talk to such.

In this case - the Web has mostly moved to formats disadvantaging any exchange of normal texts, and things like Reddit (or Lemmy) seem, for people not used to that, automatically better for nuanced opinions. They are not.

Just like you can print any text, My Struggle and Elders of Sion and The Capital included, you can make any bullshit look appealing on Reddit with sufficiently eloquent or smart-looking text.

FFS, people actually reading books and writing something knew this since before Gutenberg. How did we even come to this miserable situation.

Almost the same.

Why in the world did Sun make such business decisions that it killed itself?

FFS, instead of open sourcing this and that, and banking on high-end servers, they could have at least tried at desktops.

If anybody remembers what Sun’s perception was in 2003, they could have been selling desktop machines for Apple prices and nobody would bat an eye.

If Sun were still alive, this wouldn’t happen. I think.

EDIT:

LOL, I’ve just stumbled upon another Bill Joy’s interview where he too says that Sun should have gone the consumer way as a priority.

Just imagine having a Solaris PC in year 2024, that is, now. ZFS with snapshots, Zones, and as easy to maintain as OpenBSD while insanely functional. Probably SPARC hardware without Intel bullshit.

And I like to think that Java applets would still be a thing, instead of HTML5 and stuff, with security problems solved and a more elegant Web.

we can all see you defending child porn.

that’s also my words:

And even more that you really can’t comprehend that someone would argue hard in defense of someone else.

your arguments are trash, so fool blocked

Deepfakes are, however the top-level comment I was answering was not limited to deepfakes. And as my further discussion with its author shows, they too didn’t mean only deepfakes.

Their opinion was that any kind of pornography portraying children, even if it’s not shared with others and not based on pics of real people, should be prosecuted just like making real child pornography.

You know, this thread has once again reinforced me in my opinion that the best system of government is Aspie Reich. Only people with Aspergers should be allowed to make laws and judge and hold public posts. The rest of fucking chimps just don’t have what it takes to override their chimp instincts.

I said “defamation”. If you are not capable of reading, that’s not my fault.

That’s why I’m ancap, you can’t deal with such chimp crowds without private tanks.

This is not a legal text, you little cheat.

This is a sentence in natural language, want me to start asking such questions about everything you write?

If you make a deepfake of someone and share it, then it’s defamation. Taking a picture voluntarily shared and editing it is not a crime.

Even knowing what Internet is, I sometimes try to pretend the other side is arguing in good faith.

I mean, it’s as if someone pushed me and I would try to sue them for cutting my hand off. With that hand present.

I would understand the “this punishment is not enough, we have to do more” sentiment, but instead of “more” they are trying to alias a different action with an existing action with harsher punishment.

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I’m actually interested in dark grey eyed blondes just a bit taller than me, and dark hazel-eyed brunettes just a bit lower that me, and none of them have been much younger.

But thanks for confirming that you can’t argue without calling your opponent a pedo.

And even more that you really can’t comprehend that someone would argue hard in defense of someone else.

How can one be such a miserable creature is beyond me.

You first.

EDIT: Also I weren’t talking about pics of real people.

Taking a picture of a minor, making that image sexually explicit, and using it to harass, bully, and extort that minor is not a “crime against a real person”?

Doesn’t matter, that’s not what we are talking about here. You don’t have to use a face of a real child.

Oh, you wanted to pretend it is? Cheating doesn’t work with me.

Your argument is that they should.

No, my argument is what I myself already said.

The disgusting people I don’t want in society are people who use child pornography, and those who defend their use of child pornography.

It’s really not your concern what other people create for themselves. Nobody owes you any shame for being born with a flaw.

It’s really a good thing that people with this particular deviation can get materials satisfying them without harming real people. And if one can generate those materials - then that’s a noble endeavor. For every decent person, that is.

Kindly see yourself out and take the rest with you.

No, you are the one unwanted in civilized society.

BTW, for any normal person any pedophile that doesn’t hurt children is better than you.

Producing child pornography is a separate crime.

Victimless crimes are not crimes. Thus producing any pornography is a crime only when it involves violating someone’s rights.

Its users are pedophiles because they are producing child pornography. You are defending them.

Ah, so you are dumb enough to think it’s bad to defend pedophiles who have not committed a crime against a real person?

Damn right, I am defending pedophiles who are being persecuted for being born with that deviation alone. I am also defending pedophiles who satisfy that via any means not harming real people. I will do both till my last breath.

If your argument is that they are disgusting and you don’t want them in society, then so are you.

What this conversation is about has as much to do with child pornography as hentai with loli characters.

You just can’t argue without unsubstantiated accusations, can you?

When real living people are being murdered and abused in droves, you are still worried more about glorified automated Photoshop and accusing its users of being the same as actual rapists.