Just had NextCloud denying my credentials (not for the first time). I know they weren’t wrong because I’m using a password manager. Logs didn’t say much. Was about to reinstall (again, not the first time nextcloud went bonkers on me) before I tried a docker compose down && docker compose up. Lo and behold after a restart the credentials worked again.

This stuff is just way too flaky for something so important.

Is OwnCloud good again? My main usecase is saving photos but I don’t want them locked away in a database so SeaFile is out.

Edit: I’m going to take the time to reply to you all, bit busy with work and family suddenly. But a little update - I’ve quickly setup Immich and fired up the CLI to import my library. AFAIK the files are still stored on disk somewhere but metadata is in a database. I didn’t realize this before, knowing that I think my mind is made up and Immich is the best solution. Thanks everyone!

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    I’m not done but I’m so tired of just stupid error messages that don’t help from developers. I love the open source community but for gods sake devs, handle your errors in a format that makes sense.

    Nextcloud or others, it’s always the same. I either get a 200 line stacktrace that means absolutely nothing to me because the dev didn’t bother to handle the exception (like you submit a form and get a null reference back. It sure would be nice to know what field was null) or of course the infamous “Exception occurred” and nothing else.

    My favorite was I tried to submit to Jellyfin a fix for one of their very opaque exceptions, keep the stack trace but rewrite the error message like “x exception occurred, do you have permissions to do that?” Or something and the PR was rejected. I just can’t even with that

    • Domi@lemmy.secnd.meEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      My favorite was I tried to submit to Jellyfin a fix for one of their very opaque exceptions, keep the stack trace but rewrite the error message like “x exception occurred, do you have permissions to do that?” Or something and the PR was rejected. I just can’t even with that

      Out of interest, which PR was that?

      It’s uncommon to rewrite exception messages to be user friendly, they are for developers. The exception shouldn’t be thrown in the first place if it’s a common issue or the error message should be more generic for unhandled problems.

      • christophski@feddit.ukEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        I strongly disagree with this, any error message shown to the user should be helpful to the user

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        ehh I try to keep me here and my real github separate. I’m all for exception messages being for developers especially in logs, but things also shouldn’t error silently either. This was a case where there was something different with my OS I was running and I wanted to show an error that there was a common reason for that exception being thrown. This was years ago though, so I don’t remember details

  • Reborn2966@feddit.itEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    use immich for photos.

    owncloud ocis works but is very young. is literally just file hosting with something to open office files online.

  • h3ndrik@feddit.deEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    Most likely you got blocked for some time by the brute force prevention. Have a look at your logfiles.

  • Nsh@lemmy.caEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    I haven’t got this kind of issue with nextcloud, I’m pretty sure you can reset your password using occ via cli

    • Midas@ymmel.nlOPEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      I’m using the LSIO docker image and I could not locate the occ file to fire off the reset - but even then - I didn’t need to reset my password anyway…

      • u_tamtam@programming.devEnglish
        03·
        1 year ago

        That’s your problem, just there: you deployed a one size fits all blackbox of a container that, by definition, on top of pulling all the inefficiencies and redundancies of docker, isn’t tuned for your specific hardware and operational needs. I get the appeal of containers, but if you want to self-host responsibly, you’ve got to be in control of what’s running and how.

        Sorry if this sounds harsh.

        • Midas@ymmel.nlOPEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I honestly don’t see how my issues are related to docker. Sure the occ app was missing (or I just couldn’t find it, but the conclusion was that I didn’t even need it)

          I’m running Linux so there’s not really any inefficiencies in regards to resources AFAIK - it’s just namespaces and cgroups.

          • u_tamtam@programming.devEnglish
            21·
            1 year ago

            I could give you plenty of reasons why you would be worse-off deploying from docker without deep understanding of what’s going on, but to only list a few out of the obvious pile:

            • your container ships a bunch of things that you do not need and that take-up significant server resources. Not just nextcloud apps that you will never need but get loaded nonetheless, but also things like redis and a full-fledged collabora server that only make sense in a large-scale instances.

            • your container isn’t tuned for your server because whoever made the container had no way to know that in advance. For instance, It might be that your php-fpm forks beyond your multithreading or IO capabilities, that your application cache isn’t adequate wrt. your system’s RAM memory, etc

            • your containers duplicate functionalities from each other and from the operating system. You don’t need more than one http server, database, application process manager, interpreter, … but they add-up nonetheless and reduce the pool of available resources from the rest of the system and containers.

  • psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    Thats frustrating

    I second the notion that your ip was banned by nc’s brute force detection

    The silent reconnects of a DAVx client on a phone could easily trigger this

    You can whitelist your home routers ip in the config IIRC Maybe not on the LISO container though, IIRC it is less configurable, but doesn’t “just work”, I’d ditch that not nextcloud

    Quick fix could be to “DELETE FROM” (or “TRUNCATE” if you are certain nobody is blocked correctly) the table bruteforce_attempts (or smth similar). Although that “dc up && dc down” worked could indicate another issue, as you do seem to have persistence with your db in a docker volume (cred are still there) which would mean the time penalty ran out during restart or oits somethimg else

  • vividspecter@lemm.eeEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    My problem with nextcloud is more the performance of the web interface rather than it’s reliability (and that’s even with mariadb + redis setup and a decently fast minipc). It’s fine if you avoid the web interface, but that’s part of the draw of the thing.

    • slippery_salmons@lemmy.todayEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I’ve never really needed the web interface once everything was setup. Mobile app syncs my images and then I browse files through synced desktop clients. Never had any issues this way. I guess I’m not using the extra features some may be after in the webui.

    • Midas@ymmel.nlOPEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      I’m giving this a try now - it’s true it still saves the files on disk somewhere right? AFAIK at least so, this fits my requirements.

      • BCsven@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        The installation instructions talk about the yaml amd env file to dowmload and edit, in one of those you specify explicit path of where your files go

    • u_tamtam@programming.devEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Is it measurably better? From a quick look, it’s PHP again (and if your NC runs slow, there’s a fair chance it’s not properly set-up/tuned), and SQLite (so, rather small scale).