I can’t say anything about the rest as I have not watched him in quite a long time, however, an accusation as serious as “he’s a pedophile/defends pedophiles” requires concrete evidence. Neither of you have provided it yet, but I am very open to seeing it if you have any. I have no strong feelings about the dude. I just don’t trust people (like the person above) who non-ironically throw around terms like “radlib” and just casually go “I think they’re a pedophile” as if that isn’t arguably the single worst thing you can accuse someone of.
Again though: what does any of this have to do with being vegan in the first place?
It’s pretty well known and easy to verify, but I have no interest in googling this reprehensible being. If you’ve listened to him in the past, then I do wish you a swift recovery. Cheers.
I did the Google. He apparently used child porn and pedophilia as rhetorical devices in arguments about other topics, which have then of course been taken out of context and weaponizsd by people who hate him.
It’s a good example of why you shouldn’t use certain topics to score debate points and why no one should be live on the internet for multiple hours a day.
It’s just one of those topics you want to avoid unless you’re making a specific point about it, for example how right-wing nutjobs now believe that literally anyone they don’t like is a pedophile.
Yeah I just finished reading it over and watching clips - and while he was very sloppy/arrogant to even try to wade into those waters, he’s definitely not defending child porn or pedophilia. That’s pretty clear. Anything where you have to heavily explain how you’re not _____ is generally a bad idea.
I ran into one of his debates on crypto/NFTs a while back and he wasn’t well-informed enough to adequately defend his own position or attack some of fundamental weaknesses of that ecosystem. Was not impressed.
That’s all well and good. But making a bad argument against crypto (which is surprising because it’s pretty easy to tear down crypto tbh) doesn’t make him a pedophile.
Not only do they not have a source, Vaush has actually addressed basically all the controversies about him in a long list of ways.
Here’s a link to a GitHub page that has a large collection of Vaush’s responses to his various controversies over the years.
And if it wasn’t clear Vaush is a staunch trans ally and anti-racist. Any honest viewing of his content on either subject would show that to be the case.
You’re well aware that everything I said is accurate
I have no clue why you’d think that. You’re just grinding an axe man. You are also not the kind of person whose respect I’d welcome, let’s be crystal clear here.
This is a very sad attempt to deflect from having no credible sources for an incredibly disgusting accusation. Feel free to not engage further.
I just don’t trust people (like the person above) who […] casually go “I think they’re a pedophile”
Oof, dude you make me feel bad for giving you a good faithed response after your first comment.
For someone who urges to be careful with accusations you are pretty grossly misrepresenting my comment here
non-ironically throw around terms like “radlib”
I don’t throw it around like Vaush throws around “red-fascist”, “tankie”, “antisemite” and every other slur , I use it specifically for someone who draws upon radical aesthetic in the abstract but supports the capitalist, imperialist status-quo in the specific.
You can chose to be offended by that, but Vaush is the definition of a radlib
Honestly I have only ever used it for him. Thinking of it I might use “Vaushite” in the future which has the added benefit of visually representing the fact that his disingenious output is nothing but a thin layer around “shit”
Honestly I’m not very concerned with the dude. What it sounds like to me is that he’s engaging in the same behavior I don’t like. But it doesn’t make him a pedophile is my point. And yes you did not accuse him, but to say what you said in this context is to kind of play into that assertion, whether it is your intention or not. Also I was talking about the person above you, not you, in case that wasn’t clear. Though in that other comment where I said you were making the accusation I had gotten tripped up about who I was talking to, so that was my mistake.
I think it’s important to point out that we have now entered a debate about a random YouTuber/twitch personality, someone I don’t really have any opinions on anyway, when the original offense in this post is that this person equated being a leftist with wanting to legalize child porn, all in a post that is just rage bait about vegans. Clearly you see the issue here, right?
I would rather us return to that issue instead of getting bogged down in whether you think I like Vaush, which I don’t. I know little about him other then people are using some really out of context stuff it seems in order to make him sound like he defends and endorses child porn, and then, for some odd reason that is now being expanded into “leftists are pedophiles who defend child porn.” I’d say it’s utterly bizarre but frankly it’s just malicious and gross of OP.
I can’t say anything about the rest as I have not watched him in quite a long time, however, an accusation as serious as “he’s a pedophile/defends pedophiles” requires concrete evidence. Neither of you have provided it yet, but I am very open to seeing it if you have any. I have no strong feelings about the dude. I just don’t trust people (like the person above) who non-ironically throw around terms like “radlib” and just casually go “I think they’re a pedophile” as if that isn’t arguably the single worst thing you can accuse someone of.
Again though: what does any of this have to do with being vegan in the first place?
It’s pretty well known and easy to verify, but I have no interest in googling this reprehensible being. If you’ve listened to him in the past, then I do wish you a swift recovery. Cheers.
That was incredibly petty and rude of you. Sounds like you just don’t have a source. Take care then.
I did the Google. He apparently used child porn and pedophilia as rhetorical devices in arguments about other topics, which have then of course been taken out of context and weaponizsd by people who hate him.
It’s a good example of why you shouldn’t use certain topics to score debate points and why no one should be live on the internet for multiple hours a day.
https://creatorpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ian_Kochinski_(Vaush)
Thanks! Checking this out. But yeah, being online too much can cause a lot of lost perspective
It’s just one of those topics you want to avoid unless you’re making a specific point about it, for example how right-wing nutjobs now believe that literally anyone they don’t like is a pedophile.
Yeah I just finished reading it over and watching clips - and while he was very sloppy/arrogant to even try to wade into those waters, he’s definitely not defending child porn or pedophilia. That’s pretty clear. Anything where you have to heavily explain how you’re not _____ is generally a bad idea.
I ran into one of his debates on crypto/NFTs a while back and he wasn’t well-informed enough to adequately defend his own position or attack some of fundamental weaknesses of that ecosystem. Was not impressed.
That’s all well and good. But making a bad argument against crypto (which is surprising because it’s pretty easy to tear down crypto tbh) doesn’t make him a pedophile.
Not only do they not have a source, Vaush has actually addressed basically all the controversies about him in a long list of ways.
Here’s a link to a GitHub page that has a large collection of Vaush’s responses to his various controversies over the years.
And if it wasn’t clear Vaush is a staunch trans ally and anti-racist. Any honest viewing of his content on either subject would show that to be the case.
Oh get off your high horse. You’re well aware that everything I said is accurate. I simply don’t respect you enough to engage with you further.
I have no clue why you’d think that. You’re just grinding an axe man. You are also not the kind of person whose respect I’d welcome, let’s be crystal clear here.
This is a very sad attempt to deflect from having no credible sources for an incredibly disgusting accusation. Feel free to not engage further.
Oof, dude you make me feel bad for giving you a good faithed response after your first comment.
For someone who urges to be careful with accusations you are pretty grossly misrepresenting my comment here
I don’t throw it around like Vaush throws around “red-fascist”, “tankie”, “antisemite” and every other slur , I use it specifically for someone who draws upon radical aesthetic in the abstract but supports the capitalist, imperialist status-quo in the specific.
You can chose to be offended by that, but Vaush is the definition of a radlib
Honestly I have only ever used it for him. Thinking of it I might use “Vaushite” in the future which has the added benefit of visually representing the fact that his disingenious output is nothing but a thin layer around “shit”
Honestly I’m not very concerned with the dude. What it sounds like to me is that he’s engaging in the same behavior I don’t like. But it doesn’t make him a pedophile is my point. And yes you did not accuse him, but to say what you said in this context is to kind of play into that assertion, whether it is your intention or not. Also I was talking about the person above you, not you, in case that wasn’t clear. Though in that other comment where I said you were making the accusation I had gotten tripped up about who I was talking to, so that was my mistake.
I think it’s important to point out that we have now entered a debate about a random YouTuber/twitch personality, someone I don’t really have any opinions on anyway, when the original offense in this post is that this person equated being a leftist with wanting to legalize child porn, all in a post that is just rage bait about vegans. Clearly you see the issue here, right?
I would rather us return to that issue instead of getting bogged down in whether you think I like Vaush, which I don’t. I know little about him other then people are using some really out of context stuff it seems in order to make him sound like he defends and endorses child porn, and then, for some odd reason that is now being expanded into “leftists are pedophiles who defend child porn.” I’d say it’s utterly bizarre but frankly it’s just malicious and gross of OP.