Paris votes to crack down on SUVs | Non-Parisians will be charged almost $20 per hour to park large gas or hybrid vehicles within the city center in a bid to address pedestrian safety and air pollu…::Parisians have voted to increase parking charges for out-of-town SUV drivers as part of the city’s efforts to address road safety, air pollution, and climate change.

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    10 months ago

    World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) study that found SUVs to be 20 percent more polluting and twice as likely to kill a pedestrian in a collision compared to smaller conventional cars.

    Twice as likely to kill a pedestrian…if that number holds up this needs to happen in more cities. Driving an excessively deadly vehicle through crowded areas shouldn’t be free.

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      10 months ago

      I don’t think some millionaire earned a 2x chance to kill a pedestrian by being able to pay. I’m not a fan of fees that only apply rules to poor people.

      But outright bans are harder to get passed, so fees are better than nothing.

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        10 months ago

        Funny thing about markets though, when you put fees on SUVs that just means the prices on used SUVs will go down, and so you’ll have fees being leveed on only the poorest who have no choice but to buy the cheapest car they can find and the richest who don’t care about the fee.

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      10 months ago

      I fucking hate SUV’s, and I drive one (company car, had no say in the matter). Tax them all to hell and back.

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      10 months ago

      It’s not free, at least not in Portugal. You pay an yearly tax per vehicle, the value depends on the vehicle model.

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    10 months ago

    I think restrictions like these should also include SUV EVs. Safety is the bigger priority than incentivizing a few more EV sales and in the future, there may only be EVs anyway.

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      10 months ago

      Honestly, they should just ban all SUVs from entering altogether.

      Not because of the environment or safety, just because I hate that everything is an SUV these days and they are boring af

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        10 months ago

        That would mean lots of people would have to buy a new car, which is much worse for the environment than to keep driving an SUV

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          10 months ago

          Or people could just take the train or walk.

          Remember, we’re talking about Paris, not a third world country in North America.

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              10 months ago

              You said “have to”. They don’t have to. You’re now talking about whether they “want to” - which is now a question of whether they want to keep money in their wallet.

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                10 months ago

                Don’t be pedantic. I meant that they have to buy a new car if they want to keep driving, which most of them probably will, since they wouldn’t be driving in the first place if there was a better alternative

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                  I said “want to”, and I meant “want to”. I don’t consider it pedantry - Everyone has a choice.

                  • People looking to buy their first car (or replace a junker) can either get an SUV, or a sedan. This legislation tips their decision.
                  • People who own a car (because they live in an area that needs it) that happens to be an SUV, and are then planning to go into Paris, can choose to instead drive to a local train station, and make the rest of their trip using local means.
                  • People who live inside of Paris can choose not to buy a car at all; or just stop using the SUV they bought earlier after deciding it was a bad fit for their area.

                  There’s perhaps a fringe case of people that can afford two cars, own one SUV, and still insist on driving into the city - whether that means stomaching the fee, or buying a second car. That is very much a “want”, one that increasingly dense cities cannot easily cater to. I’d even say there’s not a huge demographic of people who could decide to buy a second car purely for this situation.

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        10 months ago

        Honestly, they should just ban all SUVs from entering altogether.

        That’s not going to convince me to sell my SUV. It’d just cause me to buy a second car.

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      10 months ago

      Well they also exempt taxis and city residents so it’s not about safety or the environment it’s about the money.

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    I hope that this becomes practice throuout Europe and the UK. UK ministers however will say almost anything for short term gain.

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      10 months ago

      Well, it would not be fun if people suddenly voted against themselves just to do the right thing for everyone.

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    10 months ago

    ‘Paris votes’ but 5.6% of parisians made the effort. Laughable

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    10 months ago

    Tf should I sucrifice my car size and toughness because of some stupid pedestrians and drivers going where they want and as they want? I don’t behave this way nor as driver, nor as pedestrian. If you say MOST of people behave this way, why should I be treated as majority if I’m a minority? If you worry about size, just make parking slots smaller, why tf there should taxes and other discrimination?

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      Two pedestrians walk out into the street while looking at their phones. They bump into each other, and each says “Oof. Oh, sorry. I wasn’t looking where I was going.” Then they both continue on their way, and barely remember that each failed to follow the rules of travel on the roads of their town.

      That interaction becomes VASTLY different when one or both of those people is driving an SUV.