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  • But… it does have crumple zones.

    The entire front and rear castings are designed to shatter in a high energy collision and crumple.

    The size of a crumple zone isn’t as important as how it absorbs the energy and dispenses it.

    You could have a 20foot crumple zone that’s empty and it’s be useless.

    You can see it crumpled here. They’ve also posted a different video on the official X account of a crash test but I won’t post that to avoid linking them. here.

    Since you got something so utterly basic wrong and posted it as true, I can only assume the entire post is fabricated.

    Edit: took a screen shot instead of video. It crumples all the way past the front wheels


  • That’s what you need distress codes for.

    Destruction of evidence is a much different crime.

    I would suspect it’d no longer be legal to hold them indefinitely and instead at best get the max prison sentence for that crime instead.

    A us law website says that’s no more than 20y as the absolute max, and getting max would probably be hard if they don’t have anything else on you.

    You’d have to weigh that against what’s on the device.

    Also, even better if the distress code nukes the bad content, and then has a real 2nd profile that looks real, which makes it even harder to prove you used a distress code.









  • Exactly: the same signal. If the electronics controlling it receive one input from the steering wheel and a different input from the self-driving computer, are you sure it will prioritize the steering wheel input in every single possible circumstance? 'Cause I’m not!

    That’s an interesting point there, but have you considered that even with a mechanical link and current safety features, it can still override you? I unfortunately almost drove into someone at very low speeds in a dark rainy parking lot, but the cars safety systems overrode me thankfully. I don’t think they would have been injured it was so slow, but just to show that nowadays with cars you don’t always have full control. In that case it was the brakes not steering, but modern cars can and will prevent you from changing lanes into someone in your blind spot for example.

    All of it, mechanical link or not, ultimately comes down to software now, and I’m not sure there would be any real difference between your steering wheel input overriding a self driving system with or without a mechanical link. Putting torque on the wheel while in these semi self driving modes disables the self driving features, but that’s software that disables it when you take over. What if that software failed and you were now fighting the self driving car also trying to steer and as you tried to steer it put equal power against you thinking the steering was rough?

    Also with steer by wire if there is a catastrophic failure, turning the wheel will simply do nothing. E.g if both motors simultaneously die, or somehow all 3 signal wires at the steering wheel are cut. Edit: I believe it’s dual battery redundant as well, so the HV and 48v would both need to die to kill steering.


  • So I looked it up, and you’re right, steering isn’t part of the power train. Looks like its it’s own thing.

    I don’t think it’s right to lump it in with the L2 system though as it’s taking your input and translating it into the appropriate movement. The L2 driving system decides to go left or right and will send the same signal you would by steering left or right. I guess it’s just it’s own thing just like power steering is it’s own thing.

    Obviously this is first gen tech in cars, but it’s been around for quite awhile in aviation with no backup mechanical link, we haven’t all died yet.

    Tesla’s system is triple redundant, but that doesn’t guarantee something won’t go wrong, only time will tell on that one. Maybe we learn triple isn’t enough and the NHSTA mandates quad?

    I do have a feeling though, that within 20 years or so, it’s almost all going to be steer by wire. It’s safer in the event of a crash as you don’t have the steering shaft in front of you. It also saves space from not needing all the mechanical linkage. I imagine insurance would have higher rates on cars that don’t have steer by wire as well due to increased risk in accidents.

    Edit: I would add though that motors are part of their specialty, and the steer by wire system is using 2 of them, so they do get some of their existing expertise on that.

    Edit: I guess the triple redundancy is on the steering input. Obviously with only the 2 motors, thats only double redundant.