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  • ℛ𝒶𝓋ℯ𝓃@pawb.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlRestricted Topics
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    1 year ago

    “…raw unfiltered access…”

    My comnent:

    “Filters are necessary…”

    Wow. A straw man fallacy, red herring and ad hominem in the same reply… haven’t seen that one before. And yes, I do need a therapist. I’m autistic, and was emotionally abused by my mother. I’m sorry if you don’t " believe in" emotional abuse.

    My background aside, I am perfectly capable of holding a logical, civilised discussion and assume you are too.

    Firstly, Never at any time did I argue in favor of unrestricted internet access. We are in agreement on the topic of filters and their necessity.

    Secondly, I stated clearly that the issue here is not the use of filters, but the use of surveillance, that is, recieving reports on internet activity in addition to filters.

    My thesis statement is simply that filters are enough, and there is no benefit to using surveillance that justifies the disadvantages. Namely:

    A) The child feeling distrusted by the parents, and

    B) The child losing any feeling of autonomy, which is very important for development during the teenage years.

    I apologise for my lack of clarity earlier, as well as my inflamatory language and ad hominem. I did not make my point clear, and should not have escalated in that manner. I respect your opinion as well, even if you no longer wish to continue with this discussion. I forgive you for the ad hominem as well - it was only fare given my earlier rash behaviour.

    I’m sorry if my way of talking seems vague or offensive, I have Asperger’s Syndrome so I tend to write an essay when I want to talk… sorry.

    And to clarify farther, I am in no way in favour of teens being able to access porn or other inappropriate material. As I said, I agree that filters are necessary.


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    1 year ago

    There’s a difference between passive blocking and surveillance. The former is a safety measure that’s perfectly sufficient to keep bad stuff away. The latter is an invasion of privacy that has no benefit, and many unsavory consequences on a child’s sense of trust and autonomy. Blockers are enough.

    It is a safe assumption that every human, at the age of puberty, will search for porn or sonething similar. If not, your kid is asexual.

    A blocker will prevent that search. You know that search will take place. Heck, you did it and at some point in time got away with it.

    What possible purpose would you as a parent have for knowing the details of that search? That is just a gross invasion of a very private phase in development. You might as well add cameras to the bedroom to see if your kid, who is obviously past puberty, is masturbating (of course they are - checking on it is just disgusting and creepy).




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    1 year ago

    This sort of oppressive situation is my childhood in a nutshell. And you’re right, it’s entirely unethical, and in combination with other factors can be used as a factor in psychological abuse. I know I at least am traumatized from it, and surveillance was definitely one of many signifigant factors.



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    My parents used this as part of their obsessive-control emotional / psychological abuse. Mostly to try to indoctrinate me into their cult, and their extremist right-wing ideology. There is a place for filters, and even search reports - but search reports ought to end around 14 years, and by 16 there needs to be some form of legal recognition of privacy rights as a human being for cases of isolating abuse as a part of indoctrination. P*rn blockers etc on the router are fine though, the network legally belongs to the parents. But human being, at least after puberty, requires privacy for proper psychological development. Complete surveillance after that time is psychologically and emotionally harmful to both the child and the relationship.


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    1 year ago

    I’m 17, and at least on my windows PC, every search I make is reported. Every setting I touch is reported. Every app I use, and how long, is reported. Every startup and shutdown is reported. Games with chat features are banned. Online games are banned. And every week on Sunday, an email with all this goes to my parents, and my dad forwards it to me as a kind of intimidation that “we know all”…

    And yes, they use geofenced tracking too.

    But I’m a geek, so my Linux laptop and phone are no longer bugged (my only access to other people).

    Still have to turn the tracker on so they don’t ask why the location pings stopped though.

    17… this kind of obsessive control ought to be illegal. I propose privacy rights at age 16, enforcible by fines, with a safe hotline for those with obsessive parents. They’re emotionally abusive too, control by external restrictions is often only part of the story in cases like mine.

    I’m all for safety filters, but parental controls that can be classified as spyware have no place in a parent-child relationship after the age of 16…



  • Yes. I’m more middle-left, but this place seems to be going a bit far towards anti-capitalist socialism and anarchy. Capitalism isn’t the problem, greed is. That can be fixed with restrictions on what corporations can get away with - not ad hominems against the founders and CEOs.

    That said, fuck Spez. That was an executive decision made solely by him.

    Also, far anti-corporateism should probably be expected in a community that consists solely of people (mostly geeks) ‘on strike’ because a big company ruined their old platform…