It was kind of shocking seeing some friends openly turn so incredibly sexist and racist and generally horrible once Trump was elected. I don’t regret the finding out, but it was a little surprising seeing I wasn’t as good of a judge of character as I thought.
If you think back before that, weren’t those the most self-centered and selfish ones?
I remember a situation with a friend of mine from back in my Uni days (not a case of him turning out to be a Trumpist but a case of him having drifted away from his family, rather than “facing it like a man” he just kept deceiving them and living a double life until things inevitably blew up) and looking back from my by then far more mature and adult point of view than when he and I became friends I could spot how he was always the guy who put himself ahead of the rest of the group.
I get the impression that Trumpists are those who are a mix of being the most “what’s in it for me” types (to the point of putting the satisfaction of petty and even mean personal psychological wants ahead of other people’s actual lives) and useful idiot, and those would have a track record of putting themselves first even in situations were one wouldn’t act like that with friends.
COVID broke people’s brains too. don’t know about your timeline but in my opinion while some people started showing their true colors, some people actually changed during that time.
People got stuck at home and were in need of answers and extremists are very good at finding very simple answers to very complex issues, so people got hooked to that
That’s why Critical Thinking Skills are so important, and why Conservatives want to suppress the teaching of it in schools. Critical Thinkers instantly understand that the simplest answer probably isn’t the best one.
Also introspection, self-analysis and self-criticism, IMHO, which as far as I know aren’t formally taught anywhere outside Psychology degrees.
I know a lot of degree educated people who none the less act like complete total wankers because they can’t even spot that them acting thus is driven by petty and unhealthy psychological wants or fears from past experiences which aren’t at all applicable anymore.
Well educated mature adults is what we need, in my opinion, and quite a lot if not most of those who are well educated and agewise adult aren’t really mature and that’s not at all helped by a Society which would rather people remain psychological teens because they’re easier to manipulate with Marketing and Propaganda that targets people’s emotions.
and people were also at home invested in conspiracy theories too, on youtube, alot of channels started to have thier “own conspiracy segments” which turn viewers into trumpers over time.
It doesnt erase the shitbag hypothesis; it only softens it. They know that the answers they chose to accept are shit bag answers. They know it’s all going to cause harm.
Like in plenty other behaviours which are fairly or unfairy socially expected but are not in fact natural for everybody, it makes sense that most shitbags socializing with friends will act in ways that are “what friends are supposed to do” because they know that’s what’s expect of them by others, rather than doing what they actually want to do.
Personally I think what we’re seeing is probably the “weakening of the power of social shame” or at least a shift in what is shameful, than a shift in people’s true selves.
Im 50 and Im not straight. A lot of the guys my-age didn’t grow and become accepting of people they just learned to shut the fuck up about their opinion in public in the early 1990s. Those guys didn’t raise their kids to be any different they were just quiet about it.
That seems to be his superpower. He is so blatantly and unashamedly despicable that he emboldens every asshole on Earth to stop holding back on their assholery, but instead flaunt it like never before.
Had to cut ties with some family too (because I firmly believe family is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT and if you’re a shit bag you lose that privilege) but I had always known they were horrible people from the start at least.
I certainly have. The tough part is clients. I have a major client whom I recently discovered voted F34 because they really think he was the lesser of two evils. He’s also my ENT doc.
Yeah it’s, well…it’s not a struggle for me personally because the snot nozzles who I’m talking about offended everyone from mother Mary to Lucifer but I get it when it’s someone you mildly care about. Pro tip? Stop caring
one of the people i know, love watching UFC, joe roegan, naturally he became a trump-lite person overtime, even starting to wear on me that is showing signs of being anti-vaxers.i notice these new trumpers are often pretty ignorant of the news in general, like they dont actually go look up his policies and what they will do. and supporting people like YE despite what he has become is all pretty clear.
Yeah, its a bummer. For those relationships you value you can still talk about why they feel that way. Its harder when they are consumed by the fb algo though.
It was kind of shocking seeing some friends openly turn so incredibly sexist and racist and generally horrible once Trump was elected. I don’t regret the finding out, but it was a little surprising seeing I wasn’t as good of a judge of character as I thought.
If you think back before that, weren’t those the most self-centered and selfish ones?
I remember a situation with a friend of mine from back in my Uni days (not a case of him turning out to be a Trumpist but a case of him having drifted away from his family, rather than “facing it like a man” he just kept deceiving them and living a double life until things inevitably blew up) and looking back from my by then far more mature and adult point of view than when he and I became friends I could spot how he was always the guy who put himself ahead of the rest of the group.
I get the impression that Trumpists are those who are a mix of being the most “what’s in it for me” types (to the point of putting the satisfaction of petty and even mean personal psychological wants ahead of other people’s actual lives) and useful idiot, and those would have a track record of putting themselves first even in situations were one wouldn’t act like that with friends.
COVID broke people’s brains too. don’t know about your timeline but in my opinion while some people started showing their true colors, some people actually changed during that time.
People got stuck at home and were in need of answers and extremists are very good at finding very simple answers to very complex issues, so people got hooked to that
This is why I hate tiktok- that site is actual brain rot on steroids. I thought Facebook was bad but we keep finding ways to make it worse
That’s why Critical Thinking Skills are so important, and why Conservatives want to suppress the teaching of it in schools. Critical Thinkers instantly understand that the simplest answer probably isn’t the best one.
Also introspection, self-analysis and self-criticism, IMHO, which as far as I know aren’t formally taught anywhere outside Psychology degrees.
I know a lot of degree educated people who none the less act like complete total wankers because they can’t even spot that them acting thus is driven by petty and unhealthy psychological wants or fears from past experiences which aren’t at all applicable anymore.
Well educated mature adults is what we need, in my opinion, and quite a lot if not most of those who are well educated and agewise adult aren’t really mature and that’s not at all helped by a Society which would rather people remain psychological teens because they’re easier to manipulate with Marketing and Propaganda that targets people’s emotions.
and people were also at home invested in conspiracy theories too, on youtube, alot of channels started to have thier “own conspiracy segments” which turn viewers into trumpers over time.
That’s exactly what I said
I like this answer. I prefer it to the “those particular friends were just always shit bags”
It doesnt erase the shitbag hypothesis; it only softens it. They know that the answers they chose to accept are shit bag answers. They know it’s all going to cause harm.
Yeah.
Like in plenty other behaviours which are fairly or unfairy socially expected but are not in fact natural for everybody, it makes sense that most shitbags socializing with friends will act in ways that are “what friends are supposed to do” because they know that’s what’s expect of them by others, rather than doing what they actually want to do.
Personally I think what we’re seeing is probably the “weakening of the power of social shame” or at least a shift in what is shameful, than a shift in people’s true selves.
Im 50 and Im not straight. A lot of the guys my-age didn’t grow and become accepting of people they just learned to shut the fuck up about their opinion in public in the early 1990s. Those guys didn’t raise their kids to be any different they were just quiet about it.
That seems to be his superpower. He is so blatantly and unashamedly despicable that he emboldens every asshole on Earth to stop holding back on their assholery, but instead flaunt it like never before.
“If he can do it, why shouldn’t I do it as well?”
They just got really good at masking the shit in their head, don’t blame yourself
Had to cut ties with some family too (because I firmly believe family is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT and if you’re a shit bag you lose that privilege) but I had always known they were horrible people from the start at least.
This is my daily struggle. I mean… the ties are cut. The struggle is essentially grieving the loss of a parent as if they were dead.
I feel a little better when I hear that others have, to some degree, done the same.
I certainly have. The tough part is clients. I have a major client whom I recently discovered voted F34 because they really think he was the lesser of two evils. He’s also my ENT doc.
Yeah it’s, well…it’s not a struggle for me personally because the snot nozzles who I’m talking about offended everyone from mother Mary to Lucifer but I get it when it’s someone you mildly care about. Pro tip? Stop caring
one of the people i know, love watching UFC, joe roegan, naturally he became a trump-lite person overtime, even starting to wear on me that is showing signs of being anti-vaxers.i notice these new trumpers are often pretty ignorant of the news in general, like they dont actually go look up his policies and what they will do. and supporting people like YE despite what he has become is all pretty clear.
Yeah, its a bummer. For those relationships you value you can still talk about why they feel that way. Its harder when they are consumed by the fb algo though.