A tweet about a single anonymous post on an obscure forum with no info about the type of response it received.
This is nothing.
If I went to Harvard, and created an account, and then went and made an anonymous post saying cats are horrible and everyone should stop keeping them as pets; do you think that’s an indicator that people are turning against cats? Do you think my single, anonymous post would be worth making a tweet over? Do you think that holds ANY relation to other people’s options or the actions they will take?
The dirty truth is that the Real Social Consequences of supporting fascism have, historically, been the full throated support of US business, media, and military.
Germany was the exception, not the rule. Spain, Chile, the Philippines, South Vietnam, Israel, Apartheid South Africa, Bolsanaro’s Brazil, Modi’s India, Trump’s America… That’s the rule.
Shame them in every part of life.
Let them know their beleifs will lead to us having to put them down like rabid dogs for our own safety.
Harvard really
inb4 the bullshit, bad faith “sO mUCh foR THe toLeRanT LefT!!1!”
Tolerance is a social contract. You break the contract, you don’t get the tolerance.
It’s a dumb line anyway. There’s no obligation for us to tolerate their antisocial behavior in the first place. All that line does is betray that the fascist treats liberalist ideals as a game or a weakness, only a fool would humor their insincere appeals to liberalism.
Jean-Paul Sartre, Réflexions sur la question juive (1946)
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
I will tolerate anyone but the intolerant
“…The tolerant left…”
Your words. Not mine.
The sarcasm aspect of it went right over your head lol
Go back to clapping at US citizens being deported and let the adults try to clean up your mess.
I think you misread my meaning.
“So much for the tolerant left” is a right winger’s rhetoric when people on the left put up any kind of resistance to their stupid racist policies.
I’m saying that they are labeling me (or us) as the tolerant left, and I’m not tolerant of their shit at all.
It’s an addition to the previous comment, not a critique.
I probably should have phrased it “Their words, not mine” to make things clearer.
Saying edgy things for squirts of dopamine is the behavior of a drug addict.
That’s definitely an opinion.
I just switched my electrical contractor that does work at my job like every other day. Dude was making a grand a week easily just on the jobs I was giving him. Then he drives in one day with the maple maga bumper stickers and the anti science bullshit. Haven’t called him back in over 5 weeks, there are plenty of contractors out there and they’re not all nuts
Not just in colleges, but everywhere. I own a business, and I wouldn’t hire someone who is openly MAGA. Clearly they are ignorant, make poor choices, and are easy to manipulate, and I don’t want them to be responsible for any aspect of my business.
Or, less generously, they enjoy the cruelty and hate.
I own a business, and I wouldn’t hire someone who is openly MAGA.
I work in the O&G industry. Quite a few of the rank and file office folks are vanilla liberals. The senior execs are all Christian MAGA.
Silicon Valley has the same problem. The professional working class is liberal, while the senior sex pest corporate ice chewers are all in the same insane Scientology cults and Mormon tabernacle choirs and Longtermist Transhuman Collectives.
I’ve seen the same dynamic in health care, professional sports, Big Law, finance, heavy industry…
Great that you managed to break into the club as a Normal. But I don’t see a future where I’m sitting on the board of a Fortune 500 corporation. A notable reason why is that I’m not working my way up the chain at Opus Dei.
I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.
I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.
Yes, it should be that way everywhere. In plenty of societies, it already is.
An international friend of mine in the UK was let off lightly by a judge for punching a Nazi, because the victim was a Nazi. Obviously judges can be a game of luck so I’m not claiming this is a low-risk action, but law isn’t set in stone.
Only if you don’t give them an opportunity to punch back
Simple rule: If you can’t take a punch, don’t take a swing.
Considered a public service, ideally.
Ok, but look at Harvard’s alumni. They seem to be the number one producer of real life super villains.
Is the problem Harvard, or that rich and powerful people send their kids to the most prestigious schools in the world?
Yes yes harvard sniffs its own farts and is pretentious yada yada but the fact is if you graduate harvard, your life is way fucking easier because of the respect it commands and the hands you shake while you’re there. Plain and simple.
What I will find interesting in 20-30 years is if this rejection of “liberal indoctrination” will lead to more conservatives not sending their kids to the most prestigious schools that don’t capitulate to their culture war. Conservative universities of any quality debatably exist as it is, they’re hardly investing in them currently either. So Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc. still hold the keys to the US’s upper echelon.
TL;DR: rich and powerful people will send their kids to the schools that allow their kids to more easily be rich and powerful. For all their talk of how college is a scam and dominated by liberals, they still keep sending their kids there.
There are seperate MAGAs for the peasants and the elite.
You mean being an nbc comedy writer??
A large chunk of US politicians, US SC Justices, and business leaders. Kissinger, Bush II, Gates, Zuckerburg, Bloomberg…
Skim through this list and see if you think Havard is a net gain or net loss for humanity.
Are you convinced Harvard specifically is radicalising them in some way? Because I’m not.
People don’t go to Harvard to get an education. They go because their parents are elites and they want their kids to make connections with the kids of other elites. The research makes headlines, but that’s not their main purpose. This creates a campus culture that could be what actually is “radicalizing”, but in their case, it’s the sataus quo, what is right and what is natural.
People don’t go to Harvard to get an education. They go because their parents are elites and they want their kids to make connections with the kids of other elites.
Elites don’t go to Harvard for an education. But the rest of their students are there for one. I know several people with degrees from Harvard who grew up middle class and are now teaching at other universities.
Fuck yeah, has been (mostly) my approach and suggestion since 2016, don’t be friendly with fascists. Now, the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they’re basically decent but brainwashed. After 2024 though, doesn’t matter, there’s no way you don’t know who he really is at that point, and if you supported him you should be shunned.
the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they’re basically decent but brainwashed.
Unfortunately, we are at a point in human history where there is no functional distinction between smart fascists and stupid fascists. The end result is still propagation of unbridled evil and it cannot be tolerated regardless of the origin.
Nah, way earlier than 2024. In fact ever since the “grab them by the pussy” tape was released before the election in 2016, these miserable bastards knew what he was about and still chose to support him. No decency to be found among them from that point on.
I’ve boycotted Republicans/Conservatives since at least 2000, when they decided that it was perfectly acceptable to steal the presidency.
Once they fully adopted the “ends justify the means” approach, I considered Conservatism to be a character flaw. I wouldn’t be friends with people who physically abuse their spouses or their children, and by the same logic, I won’t be friends with people who abuse our society, our government, or our citizens.
you would be surprised, only about half of the trump supporters I’ve met know about and support him for being fascist (among other things). The other half think that the deportations and basically anything negative about trump is fake news, a smaller amount also think they are voting for an imaginary non-maga republican party.
I don’t see how that makes any difference at all. Trump himself has told them what he is about at his rallies, completely unedited and unfiltered. They support him because of that.
The other half think that the deportations and basically anything negative about trump is fake news, a smaller amount also think they are voting for an imaginary non-maga republican party.
Yeah, well, those people can die suffering, too, they’re still Nazi supporters ffs
The Germans have a word for the people who supported Hitler for purely economic reasons and not at all because of the fascism or genocide.
That word is Nazi
“I voted for Mr Hitler because he would be good for the economy, but I didn’t go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can’t blame that on me.”
It doesn’t matter at this point. They are adults, and decisions have consequences.
We have moved a bit past ‘affiliating with’ and are well into ‘being’ when it comes to the fascism thing.
They’re talking about ‘affiliating with’ too. The plain truth is that people who aren’t fascists themselves still enable fascism. (Yes, I know, the whole “1 fascist sitting at a table of 10 is just 10 fascists” line is a great slogan, but at the end of the day, there’s no point wasting time flaming someone by calling them a fascist when they don’t think they are one, it’s semantics, the critical point is they’re a fascist-enabler regardless and therefore responsible for and complicit in fascism)
There are people who consider themselves ‘not a fascist’ that also consider the Nuremburg Trials inhumane for having executed unrepentant Nazis. The line is intentionally blurred.
Yes. There are also people who consider themselves apolitical and think excluding people for their beliefs is simply discrimination and therefore bad. There are also active neo-Nazis who pretend to criticism fascism to try and blur that line. It’s a complex world.
Affiliating in this case means “tolerating being around”. It doesn’t really have anything to do with becoming or being fascist.
It was kind of shocking seeing some friends openly turn so incredibly sexist and racist and generally horrible once Trump was elected. I don’t regret the finding out, but it was a little surprising seeing I wasn’t as good of a judge of character as I thought.
If you think back before that, weren’t those the most self-centered and selfish ones?
I remember a situation with a friend of mine from back in my Uni days (not a case of him turning out to be a Trumpist but a case of him having drifted away from his family, rather than “facing it like a man” he just kept deceiving them and living a double life until things inevitably blew up) and looking back from my by then far more mature and adult point of view than when he and I became friends I could spot how he was always the guy who put himself ahead of the rest of the group.
I get the impression that Trumpists are those who are a mix of being the most “what’s in it for me” types (to the point of putting the satisfaction of petty and even mean personal psychological wants ahead of other people’s actual lives) and useful idiot, and those would have a track record of putting themselves first even in situations were one wouldn’t act like that with friends.
That seems to be his superpower. He is so blatantly and unashamedly despicable that he emboldens every asshole on Earth to stop holding back on their assholery, but instead flaunt it like never before.
“If he can do it, why shouldn’t I do it as well?”
one of the people i know, love watching UFC, joe roegan, naturally he became a trump-lite person overtime, even starting to wear on me that is showing signs of being anti-vaxers.i notice these new trumpers are often pretty ignorant of the news in general, like they dont actually go look up his policies and what they will do. and supporting people like YE despite what he has become is all pretty clear.
Im 50 and Im not straight. A lot of the guys my-age didn’t grow and become accepting of people they just learned to shut the fuck up about their opinion in public in the early 1990s. Those guys didn’t raise their kids to be any different they were just quiet about it.
COVID broke people’s brains too. don’t know about your timeline but in my opinion while some people started showing their true colors, some people actually changed during that time.
People got stuck at home and were in need of answers and extremists are very good at finding very simple answers to very complex issues, so people got hooked to that
and people were also at home invested in conspiracy theories too, on youtube, alot of channels started to have thier “own conspiracy segments” which turn viewers into trumpers over time.
That’s exactly what I said
This is why I hate tiktok- that site is actual brain rot on steroids. I thought Facebook was bad but we keep finding ways to make it worse
That’s why Critical Thinking Skills are so important, and why Conservatives want to suppress the teaching of it in schools. Critical Thinkers instantly understand that the simplest answer probably isn’t the best one.
Also introspection, self-analysis and self-criticism, IMHO, which as far as I know aren’t formally taught anywhere outside Psychology degrees.
I know a lot of degree educated people who none the less act like complete total wankers because they can’t even spot that them acting thus is driven by petty and unhealthy psychological wants or fears from past experiences which aren’t at all applicable anymore.
Well educated mature adults is what we need, in my opinion, and quite a lot if not most of those who are well educated and agewise adult aren’t really mature and that’s not at all helped by a Society which would rather people remain psychological teens because they’re easier to manipulate with Marketing and Propaganda that targets people’s emotions.
I like this answer. I prefer it to the “those particular friends were just always shit bags”
It doesnt erase the shitbag hypothesis; it only softens it. They know that the answers they chose to accept are shit bag answers. They know it’s all going to cause harm.
Yeah.
Like in plenty other behaviours which are fairly or unfairy socially expected but are not in fact natural for everybody, it makes sense that most shitbags socializing with friends will act in ways that are “what friends are supposed to do” because they know that’s what’s expect of them by others, rather than doing what they actually want to do.
Personally I think what we’re seeing is probably the “weakening of the power of social shame” or at least a shift in what is shameful, than a shift in people’s true selves.
They just got really good at masking the shit in their head, don’t blame yourself
Had to cut ties with some family too (because I firmly believe family is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT and if you’re a shit bag you lose that privilege) but I had always known they were horrible people from the start at least.
This is my daily struggle. I mean… the ties are cut. The struggle is essentially grieving the loss of a parent as if they were dead.
I feel a little better when I hear that others have, to some degree, done the same.
I certainly have. The tough part is clients. I have a major client whom I recently discovered voted F34 because they really think he was the lesser of two evils. He’s also my ENT doc.
Yeah it’s, well…it’s not a struggle for me personally because the snot nozzles who I’m talking about offended everyone from mother Mary to Lucifer but I get it when it’s someone you mildly care about. Pro tip? Stop caring
Yeah, its a bummer. For those relationships you value you can still talk about why they feel that way. Its harder when they are consumed by the fb algo though.
Sorry, but there’s something wrong with people that are supporting open fascism. This isn’t people ‘not playing nice’ with fascists, it’s protection against fascists. Everyone that is still sane should stay away from anyone openly supporting fascist themes.
Which is so fucking obvious that it should not have to be said.
They don’t see it as fascism. They just see that their “team” is “winning”, and the “other” people are losing. That’s all life is to them, winning over everyone else, even when it goes against self preservation.
Welp need to start targeting the only thing they care about
Their delusion?
Many have no grasp on political philosophy.
Seeing as everyone is in their own social media echo chamber now and are separate offline it won’t really matter.
Just as a slice of it, going to r/conservative is so eye opening. They ignore or ban any news that would directly conflict with conservative beliefs as they once were so they don’t have to confront any of it, celebrate anything that makes the left look bad, and openly gargle Trump cum in every post as a badge of honor. It’s a truly disgusting little place.
They literally believe the left is just showing their insanity by calling everything fascism. It’s what their media tells them too. To them, this is the authoritarian, violent left and these types of actions only confirm their biases.
Yup, I was just talking to my mother about politics the other day. She’s a MAGA-type and while even she’s starting to crack on the “wow maybe literally setting fire to 2/3 of the governmental agencies wasn’t a good idea” thing, she’s still dead convinced it’s “for the best” and “well worth the savings” to not be “financing plays about gay people in Dublin” or whatever, and everyone protesting is “just wanting to oppose President Trump because that’s what they’re told to do”.
Wow, this will be devastating to the approximately zero Trump supporters at Harvard.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/10/19/shroff-harvard-trump-administration/
Not to paint with too broad of a brush, but a lot of Harvard students are entitled assholes from money and gobble up Republican ideology.
There are absolutely some wealthy kids who are Trump fans.
Why emphasize wealthy? Wealthier people were less likely to vote for Trump.
Are you suggesting that wealthy college kids are less likely to be trump supporters that non-wealthy college kids?
This is anecdotal, I know. But I work for a public college, and MAGA is popular. Of course, we have large police and firefighter programs.
Yes. I don’t have surveys specifically of college students but that’s what I extrapolate from the relationship between income and Trump support in the population as a whole.
Edit: The best I can find on short notice specifically about young people shows that those worried about money were strong supporters of Trump, but this is not a survey of only college students.
Young people who chose issues like racism, abortion, and climate change as their top priority in the 2024 election were the most likely to support Harris. However, 40% of youth chose the economy and jobs as their top priority—by far the highest of any issue, and those youth voted for Trump by a more than 22-point margin.
Im going to need a source for that
Take a look at CNN’s exit polls. I have a screenshot here.
Nice bait kiddo
It’s a bad graph. Take it from me, 120k household income is not wealthy. It’s barely enough to afford a house, healthcare and transportation.
A better graph would be 0-100k, 100k-1M, 1M-10M and 10M+.
Trump is the president of the US, but he is really the president for billionaires.
Where you live makes a huge difference, though things are starting to getting really bad nationwide. If you live anywhere near a big city, $100k is the absolute bottom of middle class. All your money will go to cost of living with nothing left over. If you’re lucky.
You’re showing a 50% split no matter what your income level is. Can you read graphs?
The graph proved their point though didn’t it? You can argue it’s not a significant difference but clearly there is a difference. I’ve seen a variety of different sources demonstrating this phenomena, it seems clear to me that lower income people have been increasingly identifying as Republicans in recent years, and wealthy people increasingly vote Democratic. From what I’ve seen it is only in the most wealthy and well educated parts of the country where Democrats have consistently increased their support over the past three election cycles. The rest of the country it is mostly the opposite. Trumpism and the MAGA cult have really transformed the Republican party, they have grown this whole new constituency of working class people that used to not vote much and tended to vote Democratic when they did. Now those people are mostly reliable Republicans who live in a fantasy world of propaganda and hate Democrats.
It didn’t prove anything other than it’s split no matter what your income level is. Is this your ALT account?
Oh wow, that 3% difference sure must mean Harvard is Trump free!
3% would be the difference between a decisive Trump victory and a decisive Harris victory, but I didn’t say that Harvard has very few Trump supporters primarily because wealthier people tend to oppose Trump. Both are true but the latter isn’t the main reason for the former.
Source is paywalled.
CNN’s exit poll shows the same thing.
Motte and bailey
That’s not true
In what world do you live in where ultrawealthy people don’t go to Harvard lol
you can clearly see the bias, he already said trump was the president for the working class.
Remember that the rich assholes want Harvard for themselves and not for anyone else. Plenty of them exist there.
don’t they teach management there as well?
That wasn’t already happening? WTF
A call to boycott doesn’t mean no one was boycotting before. It’s providing solidarity and reinforcing, for those that might feel isolated in their actions, that they aren’t just swimming against the current.
This is true. Boycotting comes from Irish sharecroppers banding together against exploitative British landlords. It worked because they worked together. Anyone who had dealings with British landlords was shunned.
Boycotting has always been a group effort with coordination playing a key role.
A call to boycott also sends the message that there will also be consequences for not joining the boycott. If you aren’t actively boycotting, you can expect to be treated the same as those who are being boycotted.
in short, “If you sit at the fascist table, you will be considered a fascist.”
