• floofloof@lemmy.ca
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    21 days ago

    What a time, when the federal Conservatives make Doug Ford look like the voice of reason, and hate him for it.

  • RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca
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    20 days ago

    I have a proposal for conservatives in Canada, that I offer legitimately in the spirit of getting the best for the country: Become the party of democracy. Ditch the crazies (and their reactionary grievance politics), and embrace electoral reform.

    I know most people say electoral reform is the kiss of death for them, but I’m not sure I agree:

    1. If they kick out the crazies, they will be a smaller party and their chances at holding SOME power will increase if we have some manner of PR or ranked ballot in place.
    2. The Liberals have taken the patriotism brand from them (Poilievre was an idiot for giving that one up to them), but they can take the democracy brand from them easily if they shift their approach - especially since the Liberals have fumbled electoral reform so badly (“We will do what the Liberals couldn’t do…because we’re the party of democracy!”). It also gives them a patriotic ‘foot in the door’, since they can tie democracy to Canadian identity and fundamental Canadian values. Finally, it will distinguish them from the Republicans and the US in general, which is what they need to do right now.
    3. When people make the claim that the Conservatives would suffer under electoral reform, the calculus assumes that voting habits don’t change…but this is a foolish assumption, particularly in this case, since this maneuver would fundamentally shift the landscape
    4. Conservatives would be rebranding entirely and would be perceived as a brand new party - truly the party of change.
    5. Canadian Conservatives would set an example for right wing governments around the world
    6. They would become a party truly back in the political centre, and would easily steal Liberals back to them.

    None of this means they need to abandon their economic ideology, although they may find they need to tweak it.

    HOWEVER - this would require:

    1. Get rid of Poilievre and the others like him (Javani, etc.). They are toxic to good faith politics. They consider their opponents enemies, part of the out-group, and they will never be trusted enough to pull this off honestly. Also, this requires vision and an ability to unify people behind that vision - in other words, it requires leadership - and Poilievre is not a leader. He does not do vision or unity.
    2. The Conservatives would need to accept and embrace the idea of coalition governments and minority governments, since they are fundamentally the most democratic type of government and would therefore be just as legitimate as majority governments.
    3. They would need to actually care about democracy, and human rights, since they are fundamentally linked. This means a shift in policy towards indigenous and minority groups (thus why they need to ditch the crazies).

    This isn’t to say they wouldn’t get a majority government ever (or indeed that no party ever would). In fact, I believe that the proper Conservative leader could do this in a way that would probably give them a good shot at a landslide victory in the next election. Carney has a very tough road ahead of him, but for sure the one thing that will help him get re-elected is the Conservatives digging in their heels and doing the same thing, but harder. They need to fundamentally change, and a change like this would give them the best fighting chance at looking like a trusted party to take Canada to a better place.

    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
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      21 days ago

      The two largest political parties in Canada faced off in a polarizing election (at the expense of the smaller Canadian parties): the Liberals (slightly left of centre), vs. Conservatives (right wing big tent party). Canada’s political system works as several simultaneous races for a parliamentary representative for their area, then the political party with the most representatives total selects (or has selected beforehand) a leader who will be the Prime Minister.

      Now the Conservatives had been expected to take over due to the previous Liberal leader, Justin Trudeau, being blamed for inflation and anything bad by Conservatives, Trudeau not accomplishing much and people being tired of the incumbent. But then, Justin Trudeau steps down and chooses a new leader who calls an election, Trump gets in office and threatens Canada, leading enough people to realize what shit-fuckery Trump style politics in Canada would lead to (not as many as I’d like, but enough).

      The Conservatives had a decent vote share, but the leader, Pierre Poilievre who ran on a diet version of populist conservative nationalism, lost his own seat. In the meantime, the province (a sub-national region) of Ontario also held an election. The Progressive Conservative party (right of centre populist) got majority power in the province again due to the party and leader, Doug Ford, campaigning strongly against Trump.

      The provincial party had been warning the national one to change tack against Trump, both in private from leaked statements and in public from some current and former campaign managers. The Nova Scotia Premier, (leader of another province, also a Conservative party) also warned them. However, Pierre was too slow to do that, and his campaign style of not letting the press ask questions freely remained, reminiscent of the Trump administration, which partly contributed to Canada’s Conservative relative loss of power.

      In Trump-style politics, Dear Leader (Pierre who did not get elected in his own election race) can do no wrong, so now that the election is done, it’s time for the blame game and the knives are out. The crazies of the Conservative party are going to attack anyone, even if they are politically aligned, if they dared to tell the truth about Poilievre’s likeness to Trump leading him to failure.

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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        21 days ago

        The Liberals aren’t slightly left of center, it’s a center right party that got forced to do left wing stuff to stay in power.

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          21 days ago

          I’d say socially they are. Fiscally… only the NDP is consistently really left of center.

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              20 days ago

              No, it is a socially left, fiscally right party.

              Let’s not oversimplify everything to fit it into the axis of “people who sat on the left/right of some assembly 200 years ago”