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    Anyone saying he failed at doge is missing the point. He absolutely hyperfocused on destroying and delaying countless lawsuits against his companies. Please let’s focus on this instead.

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    You know what bothers me most about the whole thing with Musk? The Twitter thing.

    He was fucking around, he wasn’t really going to buy it, and some jackasses in the government and courts made him go through with it. Congratulations assholes! Because of forcing him to buy Twitter, right wing misinformation went bigger and had no checks at all on it (I mean it wasn’t great before, but at least they didn’t allow outright Nazi propaganda) and that was probably the major tipping point for the election.

    So forcing Musk to buy Twitter led straight to this situation we’re in.

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      he wasn’t really going to buy it,

      He was, he just didn’t intend to pay as much as he did

      No fuckin way he didn’t fully intend for what happened after he got his hands on Twitter, the idiot just opened his mouth and said a bigger number then he meant to for price initially

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      Elon deliberately forced his way into our government undemocraticly

      It had nothing to do with Twitter

      SpaceX and Tesla were built almost entirely on our tax dollars, the only way he has found to be successful is to convince corrupt politicians to give him our taxes.

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      The owner’s of Twitter made him go through with it, using the courts as the enforcement mechanism.

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      No he wanted it, and his Saudi backers did too. Plenty of non Elon money poured into that transaction

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    When I learned that a significant portion of their profits comes from trading carbon credits I realized they are a straight up scam.

    https://carboncredits.com/teslas-carbon-credit-revenue-soars-to-2-76-billion-amid-profit-drop/

    As their revenues goes down their usage of carbon credits to make money goes up. They account for around 30% of their total revenue as of 2025.

    To realize this considering DOGE’s mission to cut government waste is kind of ridiculous. Why won’t he cut off his own company when it is obviously wasting tax payer money!?

    Oh wait, that is right. It is all a lie!

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      Can you plug it in and also deplete the battery at a similar rate somehow? Like an infinite money drain on Tesla?

      I’m sure the impact to climate change would be canceled out by the loss in profit to a Nazi billionaire. But I’d have to do some math.

      Maybe we hack together a device that just drains power and tricks the chargers into thinking it’s your car. Use the power consumption to do something like mine crypto and send it to a charity. Idk. Just brainstorming shit lol

      A simple one would be to power your PC off the car and just let it sit. Mine some crypto for free on Elon’s dime.

      Fuck this Nazi PoS.

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    Imagine what he will do with 100% profit loss.

    Maybe we can get him to stop posting his dumb shit on twitter, oh excuse me, X, brilliant name.

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      He was trying to make that X trash work as a co-brand for PayPal in like 2001. Nothing new under the sun.

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      100% profit loss means they can still pay their executives and Cs.

      Let’s aim for 100% revenue loss.

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          laughing at the two people that downvoted you. “suicide isn’t funny!”

          it actually is. there are verified reports of indigenous people that laugh at stories of suicide in disbelief. they struggle every day just to stay alive and have trouble accepting that people with all the conveniences of modern life would deliberately kill themselves.

          also, KYS musk.

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    If there’s any justice left in this world Tesla will become the millstone around Musk’s neck as he drowns in a shallow lake.

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        Ooo! Can we add piranhas to the lake we’re building for him? Each of us gets to give him a paper cut… then salt then lime juice. Then a slap. Sorry I guess I got a little carried away…. Because I totally forgot about the alligators too!

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    Tesla only made a profit in Q1 because of the CO2 tax credits they sell to other car manufacturers.
    Tesla is a very heavily subsidized company, in fact Tesla is built on subsidies. Yet Musk has the audacity to claim public workers only interest is to take money from the government without doing useful work!
    Without capital gains and tax credits, Tesla would be $600 million in red in Q1! And Tesla continues to lose marketshare fast in Europe.

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      The longer you look at any musky business the clearer it becomes that the foundations are built upon the manipulation and harvesting of public funding.

      Whether it be tax incentives to build and operate a factory, manipulation of tax credits, or special grants, the findings are always similar.

      Then, if that doesn’t work he calls in the bad guys from planet earth to privately ‘invest’ in his flailing bullshit so they can use whatever it is as a tool to accomplish the evil they want to see in the world.

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        Considering how dependent he is of government, it’s weird he is so much against it.
        But he is so much a narcissist that he thinks that he alone made everything he did possible.
        It wasn’t the fact that he was born rich in a rich country that supported his endeavors, it wasn’t the enthusiastic workers and engineers that worked tirelessly because he convinced it was a “project to save earth”!
        Elon Musk is disgusting, taking all his privilegies for granted, while wanting to deny working people the bare minimum.
        Elon Musk and Donald Trump are prime examples of why we need to tax wealth more.

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          Considering how dependent he is of government, it’s weird he is so much against it

          It’s called “Pulling up the ladder behind you”. He doesn’t want anyone else to succeed but him.

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        Everyone associated with DOGE should be serving life in prison for corruption along with dozens of other national security, data & privacy violations.

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      Tbf, most automobile companies are heavily subsidized through the fossil fuel infrastructure that is required for them to exist and be of any use. That includes, but is not limited to:

      • oil and gas refineries subsidies
      • roads and parking lot subsidies
      • tax breaks and gov bailouts
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        Every company is “financialized” now. They essentially run like a bank. They aren’t being run based on a product or a service. They are being run to maximize returns for investors to such an extreme level that stock buybacks and layoffs are the tools used to bring the stock price up.

        The stock market has been a scam for awhile and not really connected to any company “doing well”. But they are essentially just shitcoins at this point. All running on whether or not people feel like they’ll go to the moon or not.

        People that mock Bitcoin but pretend like Tesla doesn’t run on the same toilet paper thin vibes are kidding themselves.

        Edit: this is not a defense of crypto. It’s just an example of how fucked the stock market is. Especially in “tech” companies.

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        And the subsidies Tesla enjoyed before cancelling them for other EV companies! Typical boomer, pulling the ladder up after themselves…

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          I think it’s just Rimjob Steve. That’s the funny thing about relying on user-generated content…

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      The stock market was broken from inception. It’s one of humanity’s biggest mistakes.

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    The engineers at Tesla have built some amazing stuff, but the CEO who drove them forward for so long has been holding them back for a while now. Time for Musk to go.

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      As someone that knew engineers that worked at Tesla. Interviewed and turned down an offer there myself.

      As soon as I graduated in 2015 and got a job in silicon valley I quickly learned that literally every real engineer hates Elon. Especially the ones that work at Tesla. And they treat their employees on H1 visas like indentured servants.

      Awful piece of shit company. But I respect most engineers that work at it. I’m glad the normies outside of the industry are finally catching on to this. For years I had to explain to my normie friends why Elon is a braindead idiot and they would just nod and not really understand why.

      I hope people start to understand that “tech bros” and “people that work in tech” are entirely different people. The SF bay area just happens to be filled with both of them.

      Very thankful I don’t live there anymore. This isn’t unique to Tesla either. But Tesla is definitely a perfect example for people to point to and understand now.

      Most engineers just wanna make shit. And most companies take advantage of a lot of people that enjoy their profession by overworking and exploiting them to an insane degree. Especially H1 visas. Those guys/gals deserve so much more. Tech needs a massive union push.

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      Honestly, I’m shocked there hasn’t been a shareholder lawsuit about the Tesla board’s continued support of a CEO who is clearly a liability to the company.

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        I think they’re in a dicey spot because any investor understands that Tesla is way overvalued, due to its status as a meme stock.

        So sure, get rid of Musk for the sake of the business, that does sound like obviously the right move…but at the cost of utterly tanking the share price? Not likely. And make no mistake, getting Musk out of Tesla totally reverses the meme stock status.

        Edit: better vocab

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          It’s over valued and Elon owns 51% IIRC. So if they kick him out, he sells it all and tanks the value even further.

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          Super dicey spot. I expect they’re watching very closely, though. The moment Musk’s presence becomes a long-term net detractor he’s done. Right now there are too many questions still unanswered - does his DOGE stuff (I can’t bring myself to call it “work”, sorry) and closeness to a not-uncorrupt administration benefit Tesla in some way? Does the Cybercab launch deliver on the hype? And does the new Model Y reclaim the spot of best-selling car in the world, making the case for the production-switchover leading to a drop in sales, or is there no way back to the top?

          Money talks, and right now money is watching and listening. Jobs was fired from Apple, remember.

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          Exactly, Tesla isn’t a blue chip like other car manufacturers, the investors interested in Tesla are speculators.

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            It’s one of the many problems with idiotic speculative bubbles. You can’t slowly shrink them, they only pop. I might be totally wrong about that, I don’t have an actual background here, but it sure seems to be what I’ve seen in life.

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              That could be survivorship bias, though. You’re much more likely to hear about a catastrophic bubble burst than a more responsible executive focused on sustainability reining it in to a less volatile state over a period of years.

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                I was thinking about that, can’t think of any examples off the top of my head, but you’re right, if it were done successfully, it wouldn’t be something most of us would ever talk about or be aware of.

                I do think it generally holds though, there’s a reason the word for the phenomena is “bubble” and not something more suggestive of controlled deflation.

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      He never drove forward shit, modern day Edison would shock and kill elephants if it made him money.

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        Eh, I know nuanced viewpoints around billionaires aren’t appreciated on the corporate web, let alone the fediverse, but I really don’t think it’s as simple as that. Why did Tesla succeed where other EV companies failed or floundered? And why did Tesla, the company behind the ultra-desirable Model S and its peers, produce the unsellable Cybertruck and fire the entire Supercharger team?

        CEOs set the direction and drive the company to deliver on that. And Musk has lost it - from 95% genius and 5% mad to 95% and 5% genius. I honestly feel sorry for him in many ways - which I fully appreciate is a lot easier to say as a non-American right now! He will probably never again know true love or be considered an inspiration to the smart people he seems drawn to. He’s thrown his lot in with a bunch of bastards who would gladly tear down everything he’s built up. I am 100% confident that I will live a happier and more fulfilling life than him, as poor and stressed as I am. Poor sod.

        As the edgelord he is, I hope he’ll appreciate his inevitable future epitaph: “You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

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          from 95% genius and 5% mad to 95% and 5% genius

          Lol that’s not nuance, that’s just fantasy.

          There was no 95% genius, he was just a salesman convincing investors that the product line he bought out was going gangbusters. He was right, but he didn’t design the things, he just sold them.

          Tesla succeeded because it was founded by and operated by talented people. Tesla is failing because it was acquired by and increasingly controlled by an idiotic narcissist who can’t handle being told “no.”

          “Full self driving next year! No? Next year then! No lidar, only cameras! “Crunch” style development! Bulletproof glass! Vegas hyperloop! Stainless steel! Micrometer tolerances!” Everything Tesla did on its own was pretty solid. Everything Musk contributed to design and process was complete and utter shit.

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          Growth for the sake of growth is the mantra of the cancer cell.

          Elon has killed them at company. If when he bought into it, did a little marketing and then backed off and let qualified people design the cars and run the company, Tesla would still be a viable company. Where do they go now? The Cybertruck is a flop on the same scale as the DeLorean, the CEO is a straight up Nazi and Putin collaborator, and they can’t get rid of him or it will kill the company. The choice is either a slow death from keeping Elon, or a quick one from firing him.

          Or they can hire me. I can fix it, or at least not do any worse.

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          Because the two engineers who actually created Tesla made a good product and musky boy immediately snapped it up and made sure to maximize the milking of the ev tax credit system, he’s been fucking it up regularly ever since.

          The reason it sucks now is obvious, the people who are good are gone, and musky boy wasn’t one of them.

          You treat these parasites as if they are some extraordinary phenomena, they are not. They are humans that shit just like you, sometimes liquid diarrhea. They are by and large not amazing, genius, or even particularly hard working people, they are just lucky chodes who got to start with their dad’s giving them money from their family apartheid emerald mine (and then stealing emeralds anyway).