Ex-Tesla employee reveals shocking details on worker conditions: ‘You get fired on the spot.’::Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s ‘ultra hardcore’ work culture is revealed to have led to long hours, unsafe conditions, and harassment for employees.
As a western European, to me the problem isn’t that they’re fired on the spot, but that a company can actually do that. You guys should’ve fought for your rights.
Welcome to ‘at-will employment’ America, where you can fire anyone for any reason as long as they can’t prove it was because you are one of the protected classes under the Civil Rights Act (does not include LGBT+ people). They can literally fire you because they don’t like your ears.
And political views aren’t a protected class. 🤡 World.
Are you comparing an intentional political stance that someone (hopefully) reasoned themselves into as equally inescapable of the colour of one’s skin, or sexual orientation?
Crazy thought, if you’re getting put on blast due to your political views you absolutely do not need to continue sharing them with the class.
You’re right perhaps you shouldn’t have all of media running interference for you and your ilk.
Let me get this right so you feel that it’s appropriate to discriminate in the workplace based on political views? You would.
Yes, I think if your political views are actively hurting someone or advocating for harm to a group of people then you should be held responsible for the shit that comes out of your own mouth.
This is not even remotely comparable to being unable to fire someone just because they’re black, or gay, or a woman.
80 years of living in the church of capitalism will do that to you.
Not to mention protesting likely means becoming homeless. It means losing insurance, it means losing you car insurance and likely paying a hefty premium when you can get it again. It means losing access to food, Healthcare. It means risking being barred from future employment.
So let’s vote? Well turns out your district is shaped like a contorted snake, and unless you convince 60% of people who will vote for any loony who hates the same people they do, to help their neighbor for once, well you’re SOL.
Leaving your job doesn’t automatically mean becoming homeless and starving. That is a pretty extreme and unrealistic stance.
When 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck (by design) it really does.
How do you propose they make rent the next month with no money?
Isn’t something like 50% of the US workforce paycheck to paycheck? That’s very much by design. Look up any strikebreaking action in history, the strategy is always for businesses to see if they can hold out longer than their workers, and if they can, no concessions are necessary.
Our stability and ability to strike is diametrically opposed to the desires of those in power. Until we get the guillotines out again, I’m not really sure how any of this could possibly change. Under capitalism, there is no incentive for it.
Sadly for too many people this is the case. If you’re paycheck to paycheck losing a job could leave you chose between starving or homelessness. Not to mention how long it might that unfortunate soul to get another source of income that is enough to back to just making it. They might have to settle for lower pay.
USA. The no vacation nation.
No way. That would be un American. /s
they can’t, really. they probably see a lot of wrongful termination lawsuits, and try to settle them out of court.
Wrongful termination suits are hard to win. If they can point at you failing to do your job in any way your case is shot.
The trade off between job security and arbitrary firings and people who are unproductive but can’t be fired.
And yet productivity is very similar between the US and Europe…
I do think it’s good to create a healthy culture that respects workers, but I don’t understand why being able to fire an employee is a bad thing
Imagine you’re not allowed to fire people you don’t like who you think are doing a bad job at work
It’s obviously not forbidden to fire people. You just can’t do it like that, because you woke up grumpy that particular morning. Employees are highly protected in France, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be fired.
You just can’t do it like that, because you woke up grumpy that particular morning
That should be fine though, that’s freedom of association, why force people to work together who don’t want to do so?
I personally don’t find it fine. You’re talking as if everyone is equal meanwhile, most of the time, there is a subordination. People usually don’t say “I want to work with that guy because I think he’s nice”. Sometimes it’s “I need to work anywhere because I need to feed my children and simply survive”. Those people can’t live in fear of losing their job everytime their boss has a twisted testicle, they can’t afford being jobless. Their lives depend on it.
But it’s something quite cultural, that’s how we decided to build our society.
It has flaws though : corporations can become quite cautious when hiring someone, making sure they fit well and won’t cause any trouble.
Yeah it’s not all or nothing though. You’re acting like outside the US it’s impossible to fire people. That’s simply not even remotely true.
Indeed. That still happens. Just you have to have a valid reason to fire them. Not liking someone is a petty reason to fire someone. Not doing their job is another thing altogether.
the “valid reason” is you don’t like them, why would we want to force people to work together who don’t like each other?
You did well on the first one. Now you are just obviously trolling.
It’s sincere, I don’t think people are thinking through what they’re asking for
OK I’ll bite. Noone is being forced to work together. If you don’t like a colleague you can find a new job. But you can’t get someone fired just because you don’t like them, that is petty, selfish and childish. You seem to be taking extreme examples. Try looking at how the world outside America actually handles employment law before making wild assumptions that protecting employees from mini dictators means that people are forced to work together.
I’ve never spoken with a Tesla employee, current or former, who hasn’t corroborated this information about working conditions. Doesn’t matter if you are a line worker in the factory or an engineer in the design offices, you are expected to put work above all else, keep your nose down and your mouth shut.
I’ll never buy a Tesla because of the shit that I’ve heard about how they treat their employees there, let alone that dipshit Musk spouting off about full self driving and never following through.
Ditto. I’ve seen lots of rumors that the software stack is an utter mess as a result. Musk’s Uber librarian attitude means he only ever gets junior devs.
The pay has been below market for a while now. He’s tried selling “on the mission” which is totally spoiled now.
I expect other manufacturers are going to catch up quick.
The librarians your just insulted. Oof. Not cool.
It’s a gigantic red flag when the boss supposedly fires people because he doesn’t like the way they looked at him.
Firing for relatively small mistakes just means people will cover up mistakes in the future leading to them causing serious accidents. People who make mistakes learn from them and not only rarely make that mistake again, but help others learn from that mistake.
I’ll happily admit when something is my fault. And I’ll document and implement changes that help prevent it from happening not just to the teams I lead but as much of the company as I can influence.
Companies pay when people make mistakes.
Why the fuck would you fire someone when you just paid for a lesson that prevents further mistakes?
There is a story about a Japanese airline pilot who had to ditch a plane near I want to say San Francisco. No major injuries, no fatalities. When questioned during the inquiry, he said something to the effect of “I believe you Americans have a saying ‘I fucked up’”, and completely took responsibility. Instead of firing him, in recognition of his honesty, the airline demoted him back to the beginning of the pilot rankings and had him work his way back up. Within a decade he was back in his former position. The lesson is, own your mistakes!
Tesla preys on young and naive employees looking to get their foot in the door.
For instance back on Reddit in many of the engineering subs, there were countless new threads started by fresh engineering graduates who were hell bent on getting a job at Tesla. Many of us would warn them to stay as far away as possible from them (as well as SpaceX) but they wouldn’t listen no matter what we told them.
Most of these people weren’t dumb. Naive, sure, but not dumb. Some of them had a plan where they would bust their asses working at Tesla for a year or two and then that would be a great addition to their resume. Would it work for them? Not sure, but I do know that HR departments do think highly of seeing Tesla or SpaceX on one’s resume, so maybe that plan wasn’t quite so bad. I sure as fuck have no interest in working there, but then again, I like having some time-off.
It’s the same concept as working at a FAANG company. Yes, they’re going to run you rugged, but you’ll make bank and it will be great for your resume. There is a reason Google added all these in office amenities to encourage people to not go home.
Is this actually shocking or does this make perfect sense to anyone who has paid even a shred of attention to Musk’s manbaby tantrums?
Is this legal in the US?
It is. Most states are so fucked up they have barely any employment protection laws
sortof. my advice would be to refuse signing a severance or anything else they might give you after that point, and to give it to a lawyer instead. they will probably consult for free and let you know if you have a case. i bet a company like that sees a lot of wrongful termination lawsuits, and they probably like to settle outside of court.
but but but elon sleeps on the floor!!!1!! hes so hardworking when hes tweeting literally all day and night!
Power tripping is exhausting.
Also, abusers need to keep a close eye on their victims.
when hes tweeting literally all day and night!
…when he’s Exing all night… ;-)
should we start patitioning that elon musk not be involved with any companies. everything ive heard about him makes me think he has no respect for us peasants.
Textbook narcissist play. Expect everyone around you stand at attention to make your dreams happen. Maybe if you offered tangible rewards like bonuses and pay increases instead of vague promises of “exceptional reward” then people would work harder for you. Also, studies prove time and again that working excessive hours leads to diminishing returns. Also, throwing a fucking baby tantrum when a burned-out employee makes a mistake is a great way to lose talent.
Shocking to who?
