Is this the next Chiquita?

No one requested self driving cars. Goodbye.

No one ever requested screens instead of buttons. It’s probably some BS some CEO came up with and forced the engineers to implement.

I found them to be useful because I usee to be in an erratic team where people either get a lot done or drag projects on for years. At least the project draggers had no place to hide when needing to report their project daily.

In my current job we only have these stand-up type meetings once weekly which made a big difference because many people had more interesting things to report and it wasn’t some kind of lip service, instead people were genuinely haring progress.

No to all cults in general, as a rule of thumb

I think you misread Swedish law and are (on purpose?) misreading what happened at Google. I have nothing more to say other than the above in my previous comments. Have a nice day.

Seems to me that the problem is bankers. Not the average Joe

I want to say I understand your point. You sre saying misconduct laws are vague and that allows employers to fire employees for BS. You also seem to think those Google employees committed some kind of ‘misconduct’. I disagree.

The issue in my opinion is that you are basing it on the law sounding vague… and ignoring the part where employees would receive warnings that first and foremost makes it clear to them that such a thing is regarded as misconduct and could lead to.termination… and you are ignoring that in is able to appeal the decision with the help of a union representative. Then you are ignoring all free speech laws and the fact that this is not a common culture or occurrence in Sqeden .

I work in Sweden and have read the law a million times. I also raised problems at work and challenged authority and was never fired nor sent to HR or anything like that. There are laws in Sweden that act as a safety net to prevent employers from firing a person for such trivial shit. Has this ever happened? If no one seems to interpret this as misconduct in Sweden, then where is your claim coming from?

So allow me to rephrase the question to you in a more civil way: aside from the “law being vague”, do you have reason(s) to believe that staging a sitdown as protest in Sweden or having coffee and a chat with people staging a reasonable peaceful and coordinated protest in Swede would get you fired?

This may be the case for some European countries (I have no idea and won’t speak our of my asa about places I don’t know much about) but not Sweden. If you never worked here, then you may not understand how Swedish law and unions work exactly with cases like this. I am quite thankful to live in this kind of society where my employer cannot fire me just because they would rather fund the literal mutilation of thousands of children and be complicit in international human rights violations.

And for the example you cited: as someone who has worked in Stockholm specifically and works there now: no, that would not be grounds to fire you, and you can appeal by law and get help from your union representative.

If you are unaware of Swedish law, I would advice that you avoid generalizing European laws to Sweden

We both agree that misconduct is a thing. We disageew on what miscobduct means. I hope that makes it clear.

Have you read that article btw?

I am not sure what exactly you are asking me to show… in Sweden (as said in the link you posted and as I already know by actually working in Sweden for years) is that you have to warn workers of msiconduct and they can appeal your decision if it’s dumb as fuck (like what Google did). Do you have any reason at all to believe that workers in Sweden would be fired in a similar way? I don’y think so. This shit does not happen here, and there are mechanisms that give employees and unions power to stop it.

Like read this shit:

Google fired workers who willingly left the sit-in when asked by company officials, and also fired some workers who “had just stopped by to chat,” Hasan Ibraheem, one of the Google workers who was arrested and fired, said Monday during a news conference.

so do you have any case whatsoever that shows that this shit would fly at a Swedish company? One where it was legally challenged at least? If no, then what exactly is your point?

PS: sorry can’t be bothered to fix spelling lol. Your tone was so crap that it even put me off trying to explain my point. You cannot fire people in Sweden for doing whay those employees at Google did.

Fair grounds for dismissal means that an employee is behaving in an undesirable way and is aware that the behaviour is not acceptable. As an employer, you are therefore obliged to make the employee aware that you consider their behaviour to be improper.

Misconduct, such as failure to cooperate, incompetence and poor work performance, can be fair grounds for dismissal on grounds of misconduct.

So yes, again we agree, there is a law of misconduct. Can you demonstrate any reasonable example where an employer in Sweden was fired on such grounds because they protest peacefully against their own company making an unethical deal with a questionable government or the like?

Also your tone is just shit.

Can you give me the exact law that says this would be the case in Sweden?

Can you show that in Sweden?

If not maybe you could stop pretending to misunderstand a simple fact.

They can be fired for misconduct, yes, What makes you think protests or giving opinons on work related mtter, possibly supoorted by a union, would be interpreted as “misconduct”? Can you give an example of a case like that where misconduct was having an issue with selling products to war criminals or similar?

Just because communism also sucks does not mean that capitalism has not ruined our lives.

Here in Sweden, firing an employee for giving an opinion on company policy is illegal. Just look at the Tesla union wars.

Why is this a surprise to us? We had faith in humanity.

And is it really common in all workplaces?

“THE WORKPLACE IS NOT FOR POLITICS”

— With love, your employer who is investing amounts of money beyond your comprehension in a government of a country now being tried for genocide with undenial and ongoing human rights violations.

I am not saying anyone should do it and don’t need some internet stranger to police me thankyouverymuch.

Would it be any different if you learn how to sketch or photoshop and do it yourself?

This is more Musk spam than it is tech-related.